Comments on: Apparently, the subways are a bit crowded http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/ A New York City Subway Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 08:53:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Victoria Jeter http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-759 Victoria Jeter Tue, 03 Jul 2007 17:05:14 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-759 I don't have intelligent comment to add to this debate, but great article, Ben, good points. I don’t have intelligent comment to add to this debate, but great article, Ben, good points.

]]> By: Wakefield852 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-760 Wakefield852 Mon, 02 Jul 2007 00:05:37 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-760 The congestion fee is a bad idea in that it would make it harder for us to stand (or sit) in the train. If Bloomberg does have the tax, there is a number of people who will ditch their cars. Those people who will be willing to ditch their cars will either add more sardines to a packed sardine can or ride bikes. If they ride bikes, it would be a huge problem if the new cyclists would take their bikes to the trains. That will be something that will raise even more hell in our already packed 4, 5, 6, 2, 3, 1 or F trains. The congestion fee is a bad idea in that it would make it harder for us to stand (or sit) in the train. If Bloomberg does have the tax, there is a number of people who will ditch their cars. Those people who will be willing to ditch their cars will either add more sardines to a packed sardine can or ride bikes. If they ride bikes, it would be a huge problem if the new cyclists would take their bikes to the trains. That will be something that will raise even more hell in our already packed 4, 5, 6, 2, 3, 1 or F trains.

]]> By: Little Blue PD http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-763 Little Blue PD Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:24:55 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-763 . We all have to wonder what Bloomberg is really thinking of with this congestion pricing tax scheme. Maybe he mostly just wants a new tax. Just wrap it up in ‘concern for the environment’, and then people can just demonize those who oppose it. If he cares so much about traffic jams, congestion and air pollution, why does he let Park Avenue be blocked off? Why doesn’t he do anything about that? Pershing Square Restaurant blocks Park Avenue going South at 42nd St. for about 12 hours a day/5 months of the year! This Causes Massive Congestion & Air Pollution! But apparently it does not bother NYC’s Nanny-in-Chief Mike “Congestion Pricing Tax” Bloomberg? Check out the map! http://whataplanet.blogspot.com http://preview.tinyurl.com/38obfd Check it out! Thanks, Little Blue PD :) .
We all have to wonder what Bloomberg is really thinking of with this congestion pricing tax scheme. Maybe he mostly just wants a new tax. Just wrap it up in ‘concern for the environment’, and then people can just demonize those who oppose it.

If he cares so much about traffic jams, congestion and air pollution, why does he let Park Avenue be blocked off? Why doesn’t he do anything about that?

Pershing Square Restaurant blocks Park Avenue going South at 42nd St. for about 12 hours a day/5 months of the year! This Causes Massive Congestion & Air Pollution!

But apparently it does not bother NYC’s Nanny-in-Chief Mike “Congestion Pricing Tax” Bloomberg? Check out the map!

http://whataplanet.blogspot.com
http://preview.tinyurl.com/38obfd

Check it out!

Thanks,

Little Blue PD :)

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-762 Marc Shepherd Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:06:38 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-762 To Gary's point...the lack of express tracks on Second Avenue has a lot to do with the method of construction. In the old cut-and-cover days, once you opened up the street, building four tracks wasn't much more expensive than building two. But with a TBM, each track is in its own tube. Therefore, building four tracks is close to double the cost of building two. I would have preferred a design where they at least left room for express tracks to be added at a later date, as was done on Sixth Avenue. But having said that, I don't see the SAS running out of capacity anytime in the next few of decades, assuming it's even finished by then. Bear in mind that only the first part of the "stubway" has full funding, and construction of the lower half of the line is a long way off. To Gary’s point…the lack of express tracks on Second Avenue has a lot to do with the method of construction. In the old cut-and-cover days, once you opened up the street, building four tracks wasn’t much more expensive than building two. But with a TBM, each track is in its own tube. Therefore, building four tracks is close to double the cost of building two.

I would have preferred a design where they at least left room for express tracks to be added at a later date, as was done on Sixth Avenue. But having said that, I don’t see the SAS running out of capacity anytime in the next few of decades, assuming it’s even finished by then. Bear in mind that only the first part of the “stubway” has full funding, and construction of the lower half of the line is a long way off.

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-761 Marc Shepherd Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:51:17 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-761 I think Ben has said this before...but I find it very hard to believe that lengthening the platforms would be economical. Accelerating construction of the Second Avenue Subway is the best move they could make. Reconfiguring Rogers Junction and adding tail tracks at Flatbush Avenue would increase capacity on all the IRT lines (except the 7). I think Ben has said this before…but I find it very hard to believe that lengthening the platforms would be economical.

Accelerating construction of the Second Avenue Subway is the best move they could make. Reconfiguring Rogers Junction and adding tail tracks at Flatbush Avenue would increase capacity on all the IRT lines (except the 7).

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-764 Benjamin Kabak Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:25:50 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-764 Wakefield852 Don't sell yourself short. That's a fantastic idea. I'm going to write about that soon. Thank you. Wakefield852

Don’t sell yourself short. That’s a fantastic idea. I’m going to write about that soon. Thank you.

]]> By: Wakefield852 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-767 Wakefield852 Thu, 28 Jun 2007 01:39:13 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-767 I know this is a dumb idea, but I believe that the MTA should consider having articulated rolling stock. The BMT previously experimented with articulated rolling stock. If we experiment with them there could be more surface area for people to stand as having 8 or 10 individual constricted units would not carry as much people. I am not sure if it will reduce the overcrowding, but lots of money will be spent to elongate subway platforms. We should start activating disused express tracks (F in Brooklyn) We should speed the BRT testing process, BRT could relieve some overcrowding (depending on the corridor) and will provide another means of mass transit. I know this is a dumb idea, but I believe that the MTA should consider having articulated rolling stock. The BMT previously experimented with articulated rolling stock. If we experiment with them there could be more surface area for people to stand as having 8 or 10 individual constricted units would not carry as much people. I am not sure if it will reduce the overcrowding, but lots of money will be spent to elongate subway platforms.
We should start activating disused express tracks (F in Brooklyn)
We should speed the BRT testing process, BRT could relieve some overcrowding (depending on the corridor) and will provide another means of mass transit.

]]> By: Gary http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-765 Gary Wed, 27 Jun 2007 17:42:04 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-765 Right once again. grvsmth is also correct. The bus system in NYC right now is terrible (try taking a cross-town bus anywhere in Manhattan) but through no fault of the MTA . . . their is simply too much traffic to move the buses effectively. However, the new express bus lanes are a good start (eg, Staten Island) and the planned expansions will definitely help. Ultimately, I'd like to see further major expansions of the subway system, but congestion pricing to remove cars and new buses to move people is a big step in the right direction. This morning I came to a sad thought, however: will we be bemoaning the lack of an express track on 2nd Ave in 20 years? Signs point to yes. Right once again. grvsmth is also correct. The bus system in NYC right now is terrible (try taking a cross-town bus anywhere in Manhattan) but through no fault of the MTA . . . their is simply too much traffic to move the buses effectively.

However, the new express bus lanes are a good start (eg, Staten Island) and the planned expansions will definitely help.

Ultimately, I’d like to see further major expansions of the subway system, but congestion pricing to remove cars and new buses to move people is a big step in the right direction.

This morning I came to a sad thought, however: will we be bemoaning the lack of an express track on 2nd Ave in 20 years? Signs point to yes.

]]> By: grvsmth http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-766 grvsmth Wed, 27 Jun 2007 15:58:38 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-766 PlaNYC contains a lot of provisions for express buses, and the reduction in congestion (plus dedicated lanes for some of them) is expected to make them a reasonable way to get to work for people living in southern Brooklyn and eastern Queens. PlaNYC contains a lot of provisions for express buses, and the reduction in congestion (plus dedicated lanes for some of them) is expected to make them a reasonable way to get to work for people living in southern Brooklyn and eastern Queens.

]]> By: Alex http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-768 Alex Wed, 27 Jun 2007 14:44:22 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/06/26/apparently-the-subways-are-a-bit-crowded/#comment-768 Don't forget about the 7 line! A hundred people stuffed into one car at rush hour with no room to breath, let alone get off the train. And every train is like this in the morning and just after work, so you can't wait for the next one. Don’t forget about the 7 line! A hundred people stuffed into one car at rush hour with no room to breath, let alone get off the train. And every train is like this in the morning and just after work, so you can’t wait for the next one.

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