Comments on: Brooklyn service would give meaning to neglected V train http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/ A New York City Subway Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 19:25:12 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Frank http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-62978 Frank Sun, 26 Jul 2009 03:10:35 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-62978 V train is useless V train is useless

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]]> By: ABG http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-826 ABG Sat, 07 Jul 2007 13:56:16 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-826 KidTwist, the main value of peak express service is using that track to run more trains, so that more people can ride. If the riders save time it's a bonus. KidTwist, the main value of peak express service is using that track to run more trains, so that more people can ride. If the riders save time it’s a bonus.

]]> By: dorothyberman http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-829 dorothyberman Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:06:06 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-829 An Express F would be a big help to those of us near Coney Island. Also, if F train riders were a bit more considerate- men taking up two seats and large backpacks. Help for us. An Express F would be a big help to those of us near Coney Island. Also, if F train riders were a bit more considerate- men taking up two seats and large backpacks. Help for us.

]]> By: dorothyberman http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-832 dorothyberman Fri, 06 Jul 2007 17:05:49 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-832 An Express F would be a big help to those of us near Coney Island. Also, if F train riders were a bit more considerate- men taking up two seats and large backpacks. An Express F would be a big help to those of us near Coney Island. Also, if F train riders were a bit more considerate- men taking up two seats and large backpacks.

]]> By: KidTwist http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-831 KidTwist Fri, 06 Jul 2007 16:27:58 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-831 Gary, I can think of any number of places where one train regularly gets held up for a merging train--Prospect Park on the Brighton Line, Fifth Avenue and 53rd Street, Canal Street-Holland Tunnel, Columbus Circle on the IND . . . Even if the delay is only a minute or two, there goes much of what you save by taking the express. In theory, it should be possible to slip in extra trains, but in reality, the transit authority is lousy at anything but running trains in a straight line. Gary, I can think of any number of places where one train regularly gets held up for a merging train–Prospect Park on the Brighton Line, Fifth Avenue and 53rd Street, Canal Street-Holland Tunnel, Columbus Circle on the IND . . .
Even if the delay is only a minute or two, there goes much of what you save by taking the express. In theory, it should be possible to slip in extra trains, but in reality, the transit authority is lousy at anything but running trains in a straight line.

]]> By: eric the beehivehairdresser http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-830 eric the beehivehairdresser Fri, 06 Jul 2007 14:45:02 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-830 I take the V every morning at rush hour, and 9 out of 10 times it is jam packed until 53rd and Lex. Other than that, it is a waste of space and a line, but personally nicer to get to work than the E. The F would most likely have to be changed to be an express in Brooklyn simply due to it being the express service in Queens. Remember when they reopened the 6th Avenue lines across the Manhattan Bridge; they changed the B to the D and the D to the B, thereby allowing the D to be the express on both ends, and the B to be local at both ends. They did this to so that express trains didn't suddenly become local trains, which made people have to get off and wait for another express train - completely negating any and all express service from a time prospective. Personally I think the addition of the F being an express would push more V trains into service, which is needed since the current wait for a V train is anywhere between 2 and 4 F trains to one V on average. ********************************** On a complete off shoot that has nothing to do with the Culver line express restoration - I'm not sure if this was already discussed by you Ben, but might you know if the city looking into how it can fit more people (given breathing room) onto the existing train tracks all over the city during rush hours? I take the V every morning at rush hour, and 9 out of 10 times it is jam packed until 53rd and Lex. Other than that, it is a waste of space and a line, but personally nicer to get to work than the E.

The F would most likely have to be changed to be an express in Brooklyn simply due to it being the express service in Queens. Remember when they reopened the 6th Avenue lines across the Manhattan Bridge; they changed the B to the D and the D to the B, thereby allowing the D to be the express on both ends, and the B to be local at both ends.

They did this to so that express trains didn’t suddenly become local trains, which made people have to get off and wait for another express train – completely negating any and all express service from a time prospective.

Personally I think the addition of the F being an express would push more V trains into service, which is needed since the current wait for a V train is anywhere between 2 and 4 F trains to one V on average.

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On a complete off shoot that has nothing to do with the Culver line express restoration – I’m not sure if this was already discussed by you Ben, but might you know if the city looking into how it can fit more people (given breathing room) onto the existing train tracks all over the city during rush hours?

]]> By: Gary http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-828 Gary Thu, 05 Jul 2007 23:18:59 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-828 Kidtwist, I've been riding the F train for 4 years now, and I believe there is plenty of room between F trains for V's. Doesn't seem to be a problem in Manhattan, does it? Kidtwist, I’ve been riding the F train for 4 years now, and I believe there is plenty of room between F trains for V’s. Doesn’t seem to be a problem in Manhattan, does it?

]]> By: KidTwist http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-827 KidTwist Thu, 05 Jul 2007 22:23:33 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-827 This may seem like a good idea on paper, but remember, the F and the V will end up on the same track at Jay Street. Which means that at least some of the time, your express train (F, V, polka-dot, whichever) is going to end up sitting between Bergen and Jay, waiting for a local to clear out ahead of it. That will eat up good chunk of the whatever time the express is supposed to save. This may seem like a good idea on paper, but remember, the F and the V will end up on the same track at Jay Street. Which means that at least some of the time, your express train (F, V, polka-dot, whichever) is going to end up sitting between Bergen and Jay, waiting for a local to clear out ahead of it. That will eat up good chunk of the whatever time the express is supposed to save.

]]> By: Irish http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-835 Irish Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:45:39 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/05/brooklyn-service-would-give-meaning-to-neglected-v-train/#comment-835 Hahaha I laugh at Jew when she gets on the E train at Court Square and has to fight to smush in while I wait patiently for the V where I know there is a seat always waiting for me... I heart the V train!! Hahaha I laugh at Jew when she gets on the E train at Court Square and has to fight to smush in while I wait patiently for the V where I know there is a seat always waiting for me… I heart the V train!!

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