Comments on: Dispelling the myth of an unsafe subway ride http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/ A New York City Subway Blog Tue, 22 May 2012 21:23:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Are Melbourne’s trains really getting safer? « The Melbourne Urbanist http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-90175 Are Melbourne’s trains really getting safer? « The Melbourne Urbanist Sun, 15 Aug 2010 03:17:02 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-90175 [...] 33 offences per million boardings is actually that good. For example, crime is much lower on the New York City subway, which carries ten million passengers on an average work day. The Boston rail system carries 350 [...] [...] 33 offences per million boardings is actually that good. For example, crime is much lower on the New York City subway, which carries ten million passengers on an average work day. The Boston rail system carries 350 [...]

]]> By: Lex http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-915 Lex Fri, 13 Jul 2007 19:57:18 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-915 How she ended up unconscious on the subway - and btw, the story says she was kidnapped from the CAR not the platform - isn't the point. I am all for private cameras to cover the ground that patrol officers can't. Furthermore, my point was that not everyone has the luxury of living within 20 or so minute of their abode. Especially night-riders. How she ended up unconscious on the subway – and btw, the story says she was kidnapped from the CAR not the platform – isn’t the point. I am all for private cameras to cover the ground that patrol officers can’t. Furthermore, my point was that not everyone has the luxury of living within 20 or so minute of their abode. Especially night-riders.

]]> By: Julia http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-916 Julia Fri, 13 Jul 2007 14:22:31 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-916 I wonder if that includes crimes in subway stations, too. A friend of mine was recently mugged while buying a MetroCard at an unmanned station entrance. (Yes, this was a dumb idea.) It seems like that would be the most dangerous spot -- after you've gone down the stairs, but before you're actually on the platform or train. Personally, I've always felt safe taking the train at night. But then again, I grew up here and am probably being more cautious anyway, just by instinct. I wonder if that includes crimes in subway stations, too. A friend of mine was recently mugged while buying a MetroCard at an unmanned station entrance. (Yes, this was a dumb idea.) It seems like that would be the most dangerous spot — after you’ve gone down the stairs, but before you’re actually on the platform or train.

Personally, I’ve always felt safe taking the train at night. But then again, I grew up here and am probably being more cautious anyway, just by instinct.

]]> By: eric the beehivehairdresser http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-922 eric the beehivehairdresser Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:44:26 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-922 I always found that late night (past 1AM) subway riding to be the safest, while the afternoon and late evenings to be the most unsafe - since that tends to be the time when kids who feel they need to prove things are out and about. Then again, I did once got chased through the Canal Street station around 4:30AM by a crazed maniac in 01, and I also remember that a guy that was found dead by way of homicide on the N train that I had gotten off of around 4:15AM back in early 06 - but those are isolated instances. Subways are still way safer than driving. I always found that late night (past 1AM) subway riding to be the safest, while the afternoon and late evenings to be the most unsafe – since that tends to be the time when kids who feel they need to prove things are out and about.

Then again, I did once got chased through the Canal Street station around 4:30AM by a crazed maniac in 01, and I also remember that a guy that was found dead by way of homicide on the N train that I had gotten off of around 4:15AM back in early 06 – but those are isolated instances.

Subways are still way safer than driving.

]]> By: Todd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-921 Todd Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:49:57 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-921 She didn't "fall asleep". She passed the hell out. Her friends dumped her after a night of drinking. That doesn't make the crime any less frightening, but it does explain it a little. I'm all for cameras too, but I don't think they should tell anyone about them. Just put them up and be quiet about it. She didn’t “fall asleep”. She passed the hell out. Her friends dumped her after a night of drinking. That doesn’t make the crime any less frightening, but it does explain it a little.

I’m all for cameras too, but I don’t think they should tell anyone about them. Just put them up and be quiet about it.

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-918 Benjamin Kabak Thu, 12 Jul 2007 21:32:15 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-918 I'm actually with Gary on this one. Cameras work in keeping the DC subways graffit-free and safe. Having them on NYC subway cars isn't a terrible idea. Also, Lex, I remember reading that story when it happened too. And without sounding callous, that's just one incident among many many subway rides per day. A few things about that incident: First, the woman fell asleep late at night in an empty subway station. That's a terrible idea. Second, the subways, as long as they are in New York City, will never be 100 percent safe. There will be nutjobs and wackos with access to the subway who have malicious intentions. It's a fact of city life. This could happen in Central Park or Riverside Park or any empty street late at night. I don't think one isolated incident should scare you away from riding the subway at night. If riders are smart about how they approach the subways during off-peak hours, it's very easy to be safe. But I do agree overall: Platform safety needs to be improved somehow. I’m actually with Gary on this one. Cameras work in keeping the DC subways graffit-free and safe. Having them on NYC subway cars isn’t a terrible idea.

Also, Lex, I remember reading that story when it happened too. And without sounding callous, that’s just one incident among many many subway rides per day. A few things about that incident: First, the woman fell asleep late at night in an empty subway station. That’s a terrible idea. Second, the subways, as long as they are in New York City, will never be 100 percent safe. There will be nutjobs and wackos with access to the subway who have malicious intentions. It’s a fact of city life. This could happen in Central Park or Riverside Park or any empty street late at night.

I don’t think one isolated incident should scare you away from riding the subway at night. If riders are smart about how they approach the subways during off-peak hours, it’s very easy to be safe. But I do agree overall: Platform safety needs to be improved somehow.

]]> By: Gary http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-920 Gary Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:36:22 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-920 Lex, I read that story the day it happened, but that could have happened in any number of places. Could have been passed out in an alley, a storefront, a vestibule, or in a livery cab. 10 years ago I would have been absolutely against this, but I do think the platforms, train cars, station entrances and buses should all be monitored by CC video. The cops can't be everywhere at once. Cameras would serve as a powerful deterrent, as well as evidence when crimes are committed anyway. Lex, I read that story the day it happened, but that could have happened in any number of places. Could have been passed out in an alley, a storefront, a vestibule, or in a livery cab.

10 years ago I would have been absolutely against this, but I do think the platforms, train cars, station entrances and buses should all be monitored by CC video.

The cops can’t be everywhere at once. Cameras would serve as a powerful deterrent, as well as evidence when crimes are committed anyway.

]]> By: Lex http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-917 Lex Thu, 12 Jul 2007 15:25:29 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-917 Hi. I'm a woman who often has an hour ride home from my job as a waitress. I always felt safe in the first car sitting/sleeping by the conductor. And then I read <a href="http://gothamist.com/2007/07/04/strange_subwayt.php" rel="nofollow">this</a>. It takes only one nutjob to go and RUIN it for the rest of us. Please tell me this scared the shit out of you, too. Please. I do admit that the trains are crowded at much later hours and the real fear is not so much in the moving car but on the platform where there is no security because it is needed elsewhere. (My Gothamist handle: Upper Bronx Native) Hi. I’m a woman who often has an hour ride home from my job as a waitress. I always felt safe in the first car sitting/sleeping by the conductor. And then I read this.

It takes only one nutjob to go and RUIN it for the rest of us. Please tell me this scared the shit out of you, too. Please. I do admit that the trains are crowded at much later hours and the real fear is not so much in the moving car but on the platform where there is no security because it is needed elsewhere.

(My Gothamist handle: Upper Bronx Native)

]]> By: Gary http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-919 Gary Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:59:18 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/07/12/dispelling-the-myth-of-an-unsafe-subway-ride/#comment-919 I used to ride late night quite a bit, and never had a problem. The one time I thought I might be in trouble was one morning on my way to work at West 4th Street on the uptown F platform. A deranged drunk was going around harrassing people, and when I looked to see what was going on we made eye contact. Of course, he made a beeline for me and shoved me. I cocked a fist back and said something that included "fuck!" and he scurried away to bother someone else. Unfortunately, cops were nowhere to be found at the time. Got my adrenaline up for the day. Other than that, never had a problem. I used to ride late night quite a bit, and never had a problem.

The one time I thought I might be in trouble was one morning on my way to work at West 4th Street on the uptown F platform. A deranged drunk was going around harrassing people, and when I looked to see what was going on we made eye contact. Of course, he made a beeline for me and shoved me. I cocked a fist back and said something that included “fuck!” and he scurried away to bother someone else. Unfortunately, cops were nowhere to be found at the time.

Got my adrenaline up for the day. Other than that, never had a problem.

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