Comments on: Straphangers say ‘C’ ya later to the L train http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/ A New York City Subway Blog Wed, 23 May 2012 15:02:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » One year later, Report Card grades up a tick http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-57197 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » One year later, Report Card grades up a tick Tue, 18 Nov 2008 05:58:09 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-57197 [...] for the second round, and as expected, improvements will incremental. The L, which last year pulled down a C, managed a C-minus this time while the 7 saw its grade rise from a C-minus to a C. Small [...] [...] for the second round, and as expected, improvements will incremental. The L, which last year pulled down a C, managed a C-minus this time while the 7 saw its grade rise from a C-minus to a C. Small [...]

]]> By: That’s an ‘L’ of a lot more service at Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-2329 That’s an ‘L’ of a lot more service at Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways Mon, 29 Oct 2007 16:52:54 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-2329 [...] response to those Rider Report Cards, today marked the first day of the expanded service on the L train. While the Internet’s most [...] [...] response to those Rider Report Cards, today marked the first day of the expanded service on the L train. While the Internet’s most [...]

]]> By: MTA adds more service after L, 7 lines get D grades « Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1481 MTA adds more service after L, 7 lines get D grades « Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways Fri, 19 Oct 2007 03:09:27 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1481 [...] about it; heck, even the MTA knew about it. But not until those two lines received bad grades (7, L), in the highly unscientific Rider Report Card surveys did the MTA do anything about [...] [...] about it; heck, even the MTA knew about it. But not until those two lines received bad grades (7, L), in the highly unscientific Rider Report Card surveys did the MTA do anything about [...]

]]> By: J/Z trains get C to the mizz-inus « Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1473 J/Z trains get C to the mizz-inus « Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways Fri, 05 Oct 2007 07:06:51 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1473 [...] the MTA, this is their third grade of the year. Last week, the L received a C, and at the end of August, the 7 also received a C-. With these three grades in the books, the MTA [...] [...] the MTA, this is their third grade of the year. Last week, the L received a C, and at the end of August, the 7 also received a C-. With these three grades in the books, the MTA [...]

]]> By: All’s fare in love and subways « Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1480 All’s fare in love and subways « Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways Mon, 01 Oct 2007 04:05:16 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1480 [...] too thrilled. No one wants to pay more when the MTA isn’t providing adequate service — a C is hardly a stunning grade — and is projected an economic windfall this [...] [...] too thrilled. No one wants to pay more when the MTA isn’t providing adequate service — a C is hardly a stunning grade — and is projected an economic windfall this [...]

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1479 Alon Levy Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:03:02 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1479 The main problem with the L is that for some reason, its headways are crap. The line can currently hold 15 tph, and CBTC is expected to raise that to 26. The 2/3, 4/5, 6, and 7 are all in the 20s already, and the MTA lists its official track capacity as 30. The main problem with the L is that for some reason, its headways are crap. The line can currently hold 15 tph, and CBTC is expected to raise that to 26. The 2/3, 4/5, 6, and 7 are all in the 20s already, and the MTA lists its official track capacity as 30.

]]> By: Tomás http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1476 Tomás Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:50:25 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1476 I agree with Mr. Shepherd, it's true that maybe no one planned the population growth in Williamsburg (as I noted in my own blog), but also the fragility of the system is long known. Sadly the system is needed more than ever. I agree with Mr. Shepherd, it’s true that maybe no one planned the population growth in Williamsburg (as I noted in my own blog), but also the fragility of the system is long known.

Sadly the system is needed more than ever.

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1478 Marc Shepherd Fri, 28 Sep 2007 19:29:16 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1478 <I>As far as planning goes, I don’t think anyone could have expected the amount of people this city holds.</I> The underinvestment in our transit infrastructure has been well known, and well documented, for decades. No great insights were required to see it. The L line is only just now receiving technological improvements that London and other cities have had for years. The one valid point you have, is that the upscale population growth in Williamsburg and Greenpoint probably couldn't have been forcasted. But the fragility of the system <I>as a whole</I> has been long known. I mean, they knew <I>in the 1920s</I> that a new subway was needed along Second Avenue. As far as planning goes, I don’t think anyone could have expected the amount of people this city holds.

The underinvestment in our transit infrastructure has been well known, and well documented, for decades. No great insights were required to see it. The L line is only just now receiving technological improvements that London and other cities have had for years.

The one valid point you have, is that the upscale population growth in Williamsburg and Greenpoint probably couldn’t have been forcasted. But the fragility of the system as a whole has been long known. I mean, they knew in the 1920s that a new subway was needed along Second Avenue.

]]> By: Jack http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1477 Jack Fri, 28 Sep 2007 17:24:05 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1477 The MTA is just intentionally hard on themselves for some reason or other. A 'C' in the report denotes 'Satisfactory', which means that riders ARE satisfied by the line. No one seems to comment on that however. The MTA is just intentionally hard on themselves for some reason or other.

A ‘C’ in the report denotes ‘Satisfactory’, which means that riders ARE satisfied by the line. No one seems to comment on that however.

]]> By: David http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1475 David Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:07:26 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/09/28/straphangers-say-c-ya-later-to-the-l-train/#comment-1475 As far as planning goes, I don't think anyone could have expected the amount of people this city holds. In all honesty the L should not have an express as it would be a waste. The line from end to end is a shade under 40 minutes long & it does not make that many stops. A crosstown line would lose effectiveness if it was to be an express. Considering the curves the L has at different junctions, express service would never reach its full potential. I think the line is fine as it is as far as stops are concerned. They do need to find a way to work on the crowding issue though. The trains seemed to be jammed pack up until a certain point 24 hours a day. Although I tend to notice that a lot of the crowding is in bunches as everyone wants to be closest to the exit of their station. As far as planning goes, I don’t think anyone could have expected the amount of people this city holds. In all honesty the L should not have an express as it would be a waste. The line from end to end is a shade under 40 minutes long & it does not make that many stops. A crosstown line would lose effectiveness if it was to be an express.

Considering the curves the L has at different junctions, express service would never reach its full potential. I think the line is fine as it is as far as stops are concerned. They do need to find a way to work on the crowding issue though. The trains seemed to be jammed pack up until a certain point 24 hours a day. Although I tend to notice that a lot of the crowding is in bunches as everyone wants to be closest to the exit of their station.

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