Comments on: MTA board, hearing opposition, to vote on 7 extension today

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By: Why the subway custodian probably makes more than the rookie cop patroling that station : SUBWAYblogger.com: Blog from the New York City Subway | Transit | MTA | News

Thu, 25 Oct 2007 02:21:32 +0000

[...] an opening for Manager of the 7 line. That must be a popular gig these days. Salary: $124,800 – [...]

By: Marc Shepherd

Marc Shepherd — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:45:07 +0000

The original purpose of the 7 Extension was to revitalize the area around the Hudson Rail Yards, which is the last large remaining tract of undeveloped land in midtown. An extension down to Chelsea Piers or the Meatpacking District, desirable though that may be, is a project for another day. However, if you look at the detailed plans, you can see that the 7 Extension has been designed with that goal in mind. The line is being built with tail tracks facing south, to facilitate future extensions (as well as to provide train storage).

Bloomberg always said that the 7 Extension made sense, with or without the Olympics. We’ll never know if he was truly sincere about that, but you could make that argument. The railroad tracks coming into Grand Central were once in an open cut. If you look at what’s there now, it’s pretty clear that covering them over was a very good idea.

I think Ben is right that there are engineering limitations that prevent the subway from going into Battery Park City. I would favor an eventual extension of the 7 down to at least 14th Street, perhaps coupled with a westward extension of the L. But we’re getting ahead of ourselves. The MTA doesn’t yet have the funding to complete the Tenth Avenue station or the remaining three phases of the Second Avenue Subway. Let’s get those projects funded before we start dreaming up more.

By: Board approves 7 line extension at Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways

Wed, 24 Oct 2007 20:04:44 +0000

[...] MTA voted today to approve the 7 line extension. Only Andrew Saul, also the lone dissenter on the MTA’s finance committee, voted against the one-bid contract, and MTA CEO Elliot Sander [...]

By: Benjamin Kabak

Benjamin Kabak — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:18:28 +0000

From a geographical perspective, Scott, I’d say that extending the 7 line all way to Battery Park City isn’t completely feasible. I’m not sure how solid the ground is there. Remember, BPC is built atop landfill from the construction of the original Twin Towers, and I have no idea if that land could support an underground tunnel and subway station. Plus, I think the E is a more natural line to extend west. It wouldn’t involve as many twists and turns as the 7.

That being said, I too have wondered about the half-assed nature of this plan. At the very least, any 7 extension should terminate across the street from Chelsea Piers. Imagine how much that area would benefit from the a subway stop.

But the real reason why the plan was originally set to stop at the Javits Center as it does today is because of the Olympics. Bloomberg put forward this subway extension plan as part of his bid to lure the Jets to the West Side and the Olympics to New York City. When the Olympics bid fell through in 2005, Bloomberg promised the money for the subway extension anyway and now has seemingly reneged a bit on that deal. I think that’s why he’s trying to secure more funds.

Funny too is the completion date. Had the city won the Olympics bid, this line would have been finished by 2012. Instead, they’re now eying 2014 or later.

By: Scott

Scott — Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:18:33 +0000

The entire 7 line extension has never made any sense to me. I know the main issue is money, but if you are going to extend the 7 line, why are you stopping at the javits center? why not go to at least 14th street and 8th avenue thereby giving L train and ACE riders a transfer to go to the west side and the Javits? Or, why not take it further down the west side and possibly take it to Battery Park City, which could surely use a station. I know, money prevents it, but the plan -as is- always seemed half ass to me.