Comments on: As the 7 line heads west, Schumer urges a fully-funded project http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/ A New York City Subway Blog Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:05:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » As Tishman deal collapses, Schumer and Bloomberg spar over development http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-35630 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » As Tishman deal collapses, Schumer and Bloomberg spar over development Wed, 14 May 2008 15:16:32 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-35630 [...] this development, Schumer, long skeptical of the 7 line funding, took this opportunity to push for a project that he considers to be more viable than the Hudson [...] [...] this development, Schumer, long skeptical of the 7 line funding, took this opportunity to push for a project that he considers to be more viable than the Hudson [...]

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Doctoroff: Let’s go halfsies on the 10th Ave. 7 line extension station http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-8452 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Doctoroff: Let’s go halfsies on the 10th Ave. 7 line extension station Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:55:07 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-8452 [...] groundbreaking, Senator Chuck Schumer had just called upon the City of the New York and the MTA to resolve their differences concerning cost overruns for the $2.1-bilion one-stop extension to 34th and 11th Ave. As we know, the plan originally called [...] [...] groundbreaking, Senator Chuck Schumer had just called upon the City of the New York and the MTA to resolve their differences concerning cost overruns for the $2.1-bilion one-stop extension to 34th and 11th Ave. As we know, the plan originally called [...]

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Bloomberg, not yet willing to pony up, criticizes fare hike plans http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6312 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Bloomberg, not yet willing to pony up, criticizes fare hike plans Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:07:58 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6312 [...] Meanwhile, the city isn’t funding the 7 line extension because the MTA is too slow to act. The city is funding the 7 line extension because it’s hardly a top priority. In the comments on Tuesday, Scott called this project “the pointless extension to nowhere.” [...] [...] Meanwhile, the city isn’t funding the 7 line extension because the MTA is too slow to act. The city is funding the 7 line extension because it’s hardly a top priority. In the comments on Tuesday, Scott called this project “the pointless extension to nowhere.” [...]

]]> By: Peter Bautista http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6311 Peter Bautista Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:02:57 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6311 I agree; the 41st and 10th station ought to be built. From the perspective of actual use and need, it seems to have a much greater rationale than the 34th and 11th station. Near as I can tell, the only justification for a 34th and 11th station is as a way-station on the way to connecting with the L at 14th. I get that the Bloomberg administration thinks the Westside is going to have major growth and development, but even if that's true, seems kind of silly to ignore the 41st and 10th area where a growing, developing neighborhood already exists. I agree; the 41st and 10th station ought to be built. From the perspective of actual use and need, it seems to have a much greater rationale than the 34th and 11th station. Near as I can tell, the only justification for a 34th and 11th station is as a way-station on the way to connecting with the L at 14th.

I get that the Bloomberg administration thinks the Westside is going to have major growth and development, but even if that’s true, seems kind of silly to ignore the 41st and 10th area where a growing, developing neighborhood already exists.

]]> By: Caesar http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6043 Caesar Wed, 05 Dec 2007 01:15:09 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6043 I called the deputy mayor's office this morning, because I thought it was insensitive of the deputy mayor to say that development was happening so the Tenth Avenue station was not needed. I do not agree and I hope the residents of the area organize to demand that the station be built. Also the riverfront nearby is a well used tourist destination. I hope the Mr. Shepherd's comment that the city is just posturing is true. I called the deputy mayor’s office this morning, because I thought it was insensitive of the deputy mayor to say that development was happening so the Tenth Avenue station was not needed. I do not agree and I hope the residents of the area organize to demand that the station be built. Also the riverfront nearby is a well used tourist destination. I hope the Mr. Shepherd’s comment that the city is just posturing is true.

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6031 Marc Shepherd Tue, 04 Dec 2007 23:00:55 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6031 The 7 extension is not an extension to nowhere. There's a pretty long track record showing that transit and economic development go hand in hand. Eleventh Avenue is a long, long way from the nearest subway—much more so than Second or Third Avenue. I think it's fairly apparent that the 7 extension will have significant economic benefits. The project is being built with tail tracks pointing south, which would make an extension down to 14th Street a real possibility in the future. But it would need to be coupled with a westward extension of the L. I continue to believe that the city's position on the Tenth Avenue station is mere posturing, and the station will in fact be built. The 7 extension is not an extension to nowhere. There’s a pretty long track record showing that transit and economic development go hand in hand. Eleventh Avenue is a long, long way from the nearest subway—much more so than Second or Third Avenue. I think it’s fairly apparent that the 7 extension will have significant economic benefits.

The project is being built with tail tracks pointing south, which would make an extension down to 14th Street a real possibility in the future. But it would need to be coupled with a westward extension of the L.

I continue to believe that the city’s position on the Tenth Avenue station is mere posturing, and the station will in fact be built.

]]> By: Scott http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6014 Scott Tue, 04 Dec 2007 17:55:37 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6014 "To be fair, the first subway lines were extended out to the fields of upper Manhattan, among other places. They were far more “nowhere” than the West Side is." Agreed, however, there is a difference between that and digging a one-stop extension to benefit some developers as Peter pointed out. If they truly cared about creating some additional transit on the west-side of Manhattan (which is exploding these days) this stub needs to extend further and 11th and 34th. This money would be better spent on additional phases of the SAS that are still unfunded. “To be fair, the first subway lines were extended out to the fields of upper Manhattan, among other places. They were far more “nowhere” than the West Side is.”

Agreed, however, there is a difference between that and digging a one-stop extension to benefit some developers as Peter pointed out. If they truly cared about creating some additional transit on the west-side of Manhattan (which is exploding these days) this stub needs to extend further and 11th and 34th. This money would be better spent on additional phases of the SAS that are still unfunded.

]]> By: Larry V http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6006 Larry V Tue, 04 Dec 2007 16:35:01 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6006 <blockquote>Ahhh, the pointless extension to nowhere.</blockquote> To be fair, the first subway lines were extended out to the fields of upper Manhattan, among other places. They were far more "nowhere" than the West Side is.

Ahhh, the pointless extension to nowhere.

To be fair, the first subway lines were extended out to the fields of upper Manhattan, among other places. They were far more “nowhere” than the West Side is.

]]> By: Peter http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6004 Peter Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:41:50 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6004 Oh, hell. Now that everybody THINKS there's going to be some sort of transit connection to the soon-to-be-massively-overdeveloped Far West Side, there's really no reason to actually build any subway connection. It worked for the East Side, after all. 2nd & 3rd Avenues were re-zoned for far greater bulk & height in the 1960s, predicated on the imminent construction of the 2nd Ave Subway. No Subway (yet), but that didn't stop construction of huge highrises all over that neighborhood. Ironically, some of those buildings are resisting the opening up of subway entrance easements within their property, because they replace lucrative retail stores..... That the #7 extension is just a stub end spur instead of a fully-integrated addition to the entire system makes pretty clear that lip service notwithstanding, efficient transit is seen as a publicly-funded amenity for real estate speculators and not a true municipal utility. Oh, hell. Now that everybody THINKS there’s going to be some sort of transit connection to the soon-to-be-massively-overdeveloped Far West Side, there’s really no reason to actually build any subway connection. It worked for the East Side, after all. 2nd & 3rd Avenues were re-zoned for far greater bulk & height in the 1960s, predicated on the imminent construction of the 2nd Ave Subway. No Subway (yet), but that didn’t stop construction of huge highrises all over that neighborhood.
Ironically, some of those buildings are resisting the opening up of subway entrance easements within their property, because they replace lucrative retail stores…..

That the #7 extension is just a stub end spur instead of a fully-integrated addition to the entire system makes pretty clear that lip service notwithstanding, efficient transit is seen as a publicly-funded amenity for real estate speculators and not a true municipal utility.

]]> By: Marsha http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6002 Marsha Tue, 04 Dec 2007 15:09:02 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/04/as-the-7-line-heads-west-schumer-urges-a-fully-funded-project/#comment-6002 Go Chuck. I guess our other senator is too busy to chime in on the subject. Go Chuck. I guess our other senator is too busy to chime in on the subject.

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