Comments on: How Eliot Spitzer saved the cars and tourists while nailing the rest of us http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/ A New York City Subway Blog Thu, 24 May 2012 09:49:13 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » As Albany wavers on MTA money, cuts and hikes simmer on the horizon http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-37155 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » As Albany wavers on MTA money, cuts and hikes simmer on the horizon Fri, 13 Jun 2008 18:28:19 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-37155 [...] of this politicking harkens back to a critique I leveled at then-Gov. Spitzer a few months ago and one that Marc Shepherd revisited in a comment on Sunday. Marc wrote: Recall [...] [...] of this politicking harkens back to a critique I leveled at then-Gov. Spitzer a few months ago and one that Marc Shepherd revisited in a comment on Sunday. Marc wrote: Recall [...]

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » MTA Board approves fare hike http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-7893 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » MTA Board approves fare hike Wed, 19 Dec 2007 22:40:59 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-7893 [...] hike as well, but Gov. Spitzer, ever mindful of those tourists in New York, decided he would rather screw over the regular commuters with a token gesture that keeps the base fare at $2 and didn’t really help his sagging [...] [...] hike as well, but Gov. Spitzer, ever mindful of those tourists in New York, decided he would rather screw over the regular commuters with a token gesture that keeps the base fare at $2 and didn’t really help his sagging [...]

]]> By: New York Around the Web: Tuesday, Dec 11 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6869 New York Around the Web: Tuesday, Dec 11 Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:57:47 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6869 [...] Benjamin Kabak takes a 30-day Metro Card challenge to see who the proposed subway and bus fare increase will help… and who it will hurt. Second Ave. Sagas [...] [...] Benjamin Kabak takes a 30-day Metro Card challenge to see who the proposed subway and bus fare increase will help… and who it will hurt. Second Ave. Sagas [...]

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » The fare hike debate is so over http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6827 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » The fare hike debate is so over Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:02:25 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6827 [...] for an interactive presentation about the fare hike proposals. MTA officials would discuss the new fare hike structure and field questions for thousands of riders sitting at their [...] [...] for an interactive presentation about the fare hike proposals. MTA officials would discuss the new fare hike structure and field questions for thousands of riders sitting at their [...]

]]> By: Dan F http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6781 Dan F Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:29:38 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6781 paulib, On this one, Mischa G is correct. My plan is now to buy a 14-day Metrocard to replace my monthly card when it expires. Since I travel to places other than work, I'll use a combination of $2 fare cards and my car to get around for the other weeks in the month; when I'm traveling less. paulib,

On this one, Mischa G is correct. My plan is now to buy a 14-day Metrocard to replace my monthly card when it expires.

Since I travel to places other than work, I’ll use a combination of $2 fare cards and my car to get around for the other weeks in the month; when I’m traveling less.

]]> By: Mischa G http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6779 Mischa G Mon, 10 Dec 2007 18:15:06 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6779 Regardless of whether at the end of the day, driving is more or less expensive than taking mass transport, the point is that by altering the ratio in favor of drivers is discouraging to those of us who use public transport. Obviously that reaction may not be sensible, but it isn't a surprising reaction. Regardless of whether at the end of the day, driving is more or less expensive than taking mass transport, the point is that by altering the ratio in favor of drivers is discouraging to those of us who use public transport. Obviously that reaction may not be sensible, but it isn’t a surprising reaction.

]]> By: paulb http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6777 paulb Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:46:32 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6777 Even with the increase, taking the subway to work is cheap, cheap, cheap, compared to what it costs out of pocket to use a car anywhere else, and in particular what it drains from the bank account to commute via car in NYC. Obviously the notion of inflicting punishment on drivers--which is always phrased in a very moralistic and high-toned way as getting them to "pay the true costs" (whatever those are, and I know at this point someone is going to let me know with perfect certainty) of driving--is a very popular one amongst many very vociferous people. I don't happen to share this point of view (I rather like automobiles, although I don't own one right now), and I'm not going to comment further on this particular point. But I stand by what I said first: public transportation in NYC is inexpensive, even with the raise. Let Mischa G's friend start driving to work and will she ever get a financial surprise, with or without "they" performing municipal "encouragement." Even with the increase, taking the subway to work is cheap, cheap, cheap, compared to what it costs out of pocket to use a car anywhere else, and in particular what it drains from the bank account to commute via car in NYC.

Obviously the notion of inflicting punishment on drivers–which is always phrased in a very moralistic and high-toned way as getting them to “pay the true costs” (whatever those are, and I know at this point someone is going to let me know with perfect certainty) of driving–is a very popular one amongst many very vociferous people. I don’t happen to share this point of view (I rather like automobiles, although I don’t own one right now), and I’m not going to comment further on this particular point. But I stand by what I said first: public transportation in NYC is inexpensive, even with the raise. Let Mischa G’s friend start driving to work and will she ever get a financial surprise, with or without “they” performing municipal “encouragement.”

]]> By: Mischa G http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6776 Mischa G Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:16:37 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6776 I disagree Paul. I think that when you change fares in a way that hurts those of us who are actually using public transportation you definitely do push some people into commuting patterns that are more harmful to the environment and run counter to plans to ease congestion in the city. They really should be doing everything they can to encourage regular use of public transportation. I disagree Paul. I think that when you change fares in a way that hurts those of us who are actually using public transportation you definitely do push some people into commuting patterns that are more harmful to the environment and run counter to plans to ease congestion in the city. They really should be doing everything they can to encourage regular use of public transportation.

]]> By: adamess http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6774 adamess Mon, 10 Dec 2007 17:04:16 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6774 It sounds like it's a $1 bonus for every $7, so you'd spend $21 on a $24 Metrocard... no money left over. So on the pay-per-ride system, one ride now costs $1.75 instead of 1.66, an increase of 5.5%... It sounds like it’s a $1 bonus for every $7, so you’d spend $21 on a $24 Metrocard… no money left over.

So on the pay-per-ride system, one ride now costs $1.75 instead of 1.66, an increase of 5.5%…

]]> By: paulb http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6770 paulb Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:41:09 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/10/how-eliot-spitzer-saved-the-tourists-and-screwed-the-rest-of-us/#comment-6770 The comment from Mischa G's co-worker is idiotic. Let her buy a car and commute with it and find out how much it costs the rest of America to drive to work. The comment from Mischa G’s co-worker is idiotic. Let her buy a car and commute with it and find out how much it costs the rest of America to drive to work.

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