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	<title>Comments on: The fare hike debate is so over</title>
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		<title>By: chumpchange</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-7269</link>
		<dc:creator>chumpchange</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not about tourists - there are lots of people in this city too poor to invest in card deals. They&#039;ve been paying full fare all along buying a single ride because they don&#039;t have the nut to invest in a monthly, while monthlys get the break.  Aren&#039;t there enough disadvantages to being poor in this city?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not about tourists &#8211; there are lots of people in this city too poor to invest in card deals. They&#8217;ve been paying full fare all along buying a single ride because they don&#8217;t have the nut to invest in a monthly, while monthlys get the break.  Aren&#8217;t there enough disadvantages to being poor in this city?</p>
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		<title>By: realistism</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-6883</link>
		<dc:creator>realistism</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 18:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one who doesn&#039;t give ashit about what amounts to $5 a month?  It&#039;s a sunday times and a lottery ticket.  I&#039;m all for spending less but someone has to pay for the upkeep and expansions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one who doesn&#8217;t give ashit about what amounts to $5 a month?  It&#8217;s a sunday times and a lottery ticket.  I&#8217;m all for spending less but someone has to pay for the upkeep and expansions.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-6873</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my mind, the burning question is what the numbskulls who came up with this plan really had in mind.

Do they not realize that, by freezing the $2 base fare, they have helped only tourists and occasional riders?

Do they realize it, but think that the rest of us are too stupid to understand this concept?

Or did they actually believe that tourists are their most important constituency?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my mind, the burning question is what the numbskulls who came up with this plan really had in mind.</p>
<p>Do they not realize that, by freezing the $2 base fare, they have helped only tourists and occasional riders?</p>
<p>Do they realize it, but think that the rest of us are too stupid to understand this concept?</p>
<p>Or did they actually believe that tourists are their most important constituency?</p>
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		<title>By: adamess</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-6871</link>
		<dc:creator>adamess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 15:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where is everyone seeing that paying $7 for a Metrocard will get you $8.05 worth of trips? Are we sure it isn&#039;t a straight $1 bonus?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is everyone seeing that paying $7 for a Metrocard will get you $8.05 worth of trips? Are we sure it isn&#8217;t a straight $1 bonus?</p>
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		<title>By: Avi</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-6865</link>
		<dc:creator>Avi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 14:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Put $40 on your card, you&#039;ll end up with $46 and have 3 extra rides.  Or put $20 on your card, get 1 free ride and an extra dollar.  Then the next time you add $20 you&#039;ll get 2 free rides.  Or put $10 on and get the free ride the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th time you put money on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put $40 on your card, you&#8217;ll end up with $46 and have 3 extra rides.  Or put $20 on your card, get 1 free ride and an extra dollar.  Then the next time you add $20 you&#8217;ll get 2 free rides.  Or put $10 on and get the free ride the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th time you put money on.</p>
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		<title>By: Mischa G</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-6862</link>
		<dc:creator>Mischa G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you know when the new fares are set to go into effect? I wanna make sure to bump up my E-Track contributions in time to not get screwed out of my tax exempt card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you know when the new fares are set to go into effect? I wanna make sure to bump up my E-Track contributions in time to not get screwed out of my tax exempt card.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferd Berffle</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-6859</link>
		<dc:creator>Ferd Berffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 13:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was told there would be easier math.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told there would be easier math.</p>
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		<title>By: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; Blogging the NYC Subways &#187; Blog Archive &#187; John Liu just doesn&#8217;t get it</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-6838</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Ave. Sagas &#124; Blogging the NYC Subways &#187; Blog Archive &#187; John Liu just doesn&#8217;t get it</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 06:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-6831</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But buy a $7 pay-per-ride Metrocard and with the bonus, you get $8.05. Buy a $10 pay-per-ride Metrocard, and you get $1.50 extra while the turnstiles deduct $2. It makes for some rather zany math if you&#039;re not careful about how much you put on your Metrocard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But buy a $7 pay-per-ride Metrocard and with the bonus, you get $8.05. Buy a $10 pay-per-ride Metrocard, and you get $1.50 extra while the turnstiles deduct $2. It makes for some rather zany math if you&#8217;re not careful about how much you put on your Metrocard.</p>
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		<title>By: adamess</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2007/12/11/the-fare-hike-debate-is-so-over/#comment-6830</link>
		<dc:creator>adamess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 05:17:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People will buy $8 Metrocards (for $7) or $24 Metrocards (for $21) -- no odd amount of change left over, unless I am missing something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People will buy $8 Metrocards (for $7) or $24 Metrocards (for $21) &#8212; no odd amount of change left over, unless I am missing something.</p>
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