Comments on: Displaced Fulton Streeters are none too pleased http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/ A New York City Subway Blog Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:29:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Downtown residents want Fulton St. hub http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-25050 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Downtown residents want Fulton St. hub Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:57:43 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-25050 [...] list of New Yorkers annoyed at the plans to overhaul the Fulton St. Transit Hub. They join the displaced merchants as everyone tries to finger the MTA for this misguided plan’s [...] [...] list of New Yorkers annoyed at the plans to overhaul the Fulton St. Transit Hub. They join the displaced merchants as everyone tries to finger the MTA for this misguided plan’s [...]

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22470 Alon Levy Sat, 02 Feb 2008 03:50:54 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22470 My point is, it's not some blighted area that has no economic activity. It's not some long-gone industrial SoHo block that could be safely rezoned for residential use since the manufacturing there is nonexistent. And sure the state could build things. There's a site on the western end of Lower Manhattan that has no activity right now, except a compound in construction belonging to Port Authority. With connections to several subway lines as well as PATH, it would be an ideal Lower Manhattan train station to e.g. reroute commuter rail lines to. My point is, it’s not some blighted area that has no economic activity. It’s not some long-gone industrial SoHo block that could be safely rezoned for residential use since the manufacturing there is nonexistent.

And sure the state could build things. There’s a site on the western end of Lower Manhattan that has no activity right now, except a compound in construction belonging to Port Authority. With connections to several subway lines as well as PATH, it would be an ideal Lower Manhattan train station to e.g. reroute commuter rail lines to.

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22418 Marc Shepherd Fri, 01 Feb 2008 13:37:05 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22418 There is business everywhere. If your only objection is that businesses were displaced, then by that argument the state could never build anything. I can't tell whether your argument is that the state should never displace anybody, or that you feel there was something special about this site in particular. That art gallery was basically a framing shop with a few bottom-tier wall hangings for sale. That cookie shop was a commuter bakery. There is business everywhere. If your only objection is that businesses were displaced, then by that argument the state could never build anything. I can’t tell whether your argument is that the state should never displace anybody, or that you feel there was something special about this site in particular. That art gallery was basically a framing shop with a few bottom-tier wall hangings for sale. That cookie shop was a commuter bakery.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22141 Alon Levy Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:31:47 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22141 There was business there - Ben's post mentions an art gallery and a cookie making shop. There was business there - Ben’s post mentions an art gallery and a cookie making shop.

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22111 Marc Shepherd Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:53:23 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22111 I'm not sure those undistinguished buildings were contributing all that much (in relative terms) to "a productive city, rather than just a shiny downtown surrounded by slums and suburbs." That soaring rhetoric sounds great, but doesn't jive very well with the buildings that were actually there. I’m not sure those undistinguished buildings were contributing all that much (in relative terms) to “a productive city, rather than just a shiny downtown surrounded by slums and suburbs.” That soaring rhetoric sounds great, but doesn’t jive very well with the buildings that were actually there.

]]> By: Gary http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22103 Gary Thu, 31 Jan 2008 20:13:39 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22103 I will be very, very disappointed if we end up with the ladder. I was truly looking forward to a pleasant gateway to the underground. Aesthetics are important; it sets the tone for a person's day. The old setup at Fulton was one of the most depressing imaginable. The proposed glass building, with all of that natural light and airy feel to it, would be the opposite - an uplifting setting. I will be very, very disappointed if we end up with the ladder.

I was truly looking forward to a pleasant gateway to the underground. Aesthetics are important; it sets the tone for a person’s day. The old setup at Fulton was one of the most depressing imaginable. The proposed glass building, with all of that natural light and airy feel to it, would be the opposite - an uplifting setting.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22095 Alon Levy Thu, 31 Jan 2008 19:04:44 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22095 Those undistinguished buildings are what makes a productive city, rather than just a shiny downtown surrounded by slums and suburbs. They're what differentiates New York from Philadelphia and Baltimore and Newark. Those undistinguished buildings are what makes a productive city, rather than just a shiny downtown surrounded by slums and suburbs. They’re what differentiates New York from Philadelphia and Baltimore and Newark.

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22087 Marc Shepherd Thu, 31 Jan 2008 16:20:45 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22087 It sort of reminds me of what happened along the path of the Cross-Bronx Expressway. Robert Moses hustled people out of their homes and demolished the buildings; then, the space stood vacant—sometimes for years—waiting for construction to finally catch up with it. Moses did that with his Slum Clearance programs, too. This is nothing new in New York. But let's not get all misty-eyed for that block of Broadway between Fulton and John. It is possible to do better—a <em>lot</em> better—than those undistinguished buildings. Letting Trump build on that space might even produce a more useful structure than the Fulton Street Transit Center. It sort of reminds me of what happened along the path of the Cross-Bronx Expressway. Robert Moses hustled people out of their homes and demolished the buildings; then, the space stood vacant—sometimes for years—waiting for construction to finally catch up with it. Moses did that with his Slum Clearance programs, too. This is nothing new in New York.

But let’s not get all misty-eyed for that block of Broadway between Fulton and John. It is possible to do better—a lot better—than those undistinguished buildings. Letting Trump build on that space might even produce a more useful structure than the Fulton Street Transit Center.

]]> By: Blue Ridge GA Real Estate http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22075 Blue Ridge GA Real Estate Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:19:33 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22075 So was this an eminet domain kind of thing for the business in that area. We went thru something like that and it got postponed by one person refusing and battling in court and they lost now they are in the process of making a public area with a multi plex area for people to go at night for entertainment. I bet Tump would be interested to except he called it the "Grand Trump Station" I bet. So was this an eminet domain kind of thing for the business in that area. We went thru something like that and it got postponed by one person refusing and battling in court and they lost now they are in the process of making a public area with a multi plex area for people to go at night for entertainment.

I bet Tump would be interested to except he called it the “Grand Trump Station” I bet.

]]> By: Peter http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22071 Peter Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:41:27 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/01/31/displaced-fulton-streeters-are-none-too-pleased/#comment-22071 Look for a plan to solicit a long-term lease to a developer to build a signature building here. Trump Central Station, anyone? Look for a plan to solicit a long-term lease to a developer to build a signature building here.

Trump Central Station, anyone?

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