Comments on: Inside the circumferential subway route plans http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/ A New York City Subway Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:24:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: marvin gruza http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-240587 marvin gruza Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:35:09 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-240587 I would like to suggest that the line run from brooklyn only until the Long Island Expressway. At that point have it turn east over the expressway (actually using the expressway with the existing highway elevated over it so as to allow easier street and subway transfer access) until the Van Wyck. Have the line parallel the Van Wyck north to the Port Washington LIRR and then follow the GCP to LaGuadia and possibily over the Hell Gate into the Bronx. 2 major subway/subway and LIRR transfers would be provided at Queens Blvd (converting the the Woodhaven Station into and express stop as its construction allows) and at the Citifield #7/LIRR station. I believe that this could make such a line an even greater asset to users throughout the city. I would like to suggest that the line run from brooklyn only until the Long Island Expressway. At that point have it turn east over the expressway (actually using the expressway with the existing highway elevated over it so as to allow easier street and subway transfer access) until the Van Wyck. Have the line parallel the Van Wyck north to the Port Washington LIRR and then follow the GCP to LaGuadia and possibily over the Hell Gate into the Bronx.

2 major subway/subway and LIRR transfers would be provided at Queens Blvd (converting the the Woodhaven Station into and express stop as its construction allows) and at the Citifield #7/LIRR station.

I believe that this could make such a line an even greater asset to users throughout the city.

]]> By: moe http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-69427 moe Fri, 08 Jan 2010 18:43:04 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-69427 How about extending the rail at Bay Ridge through a tunnel and connecting it to the proposed North Shore Rail in Staten Island, making it the Outerboro RX serving ALL 4 outer boroughs. How about extending the rail at Bay Ridge through a tunnel and connecting it to the proposed North Shore Rail in Staten Island, making it the Outerboro RX serving ALL 4 outer boroughs.

]]> By: Brian Power http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-64770 Brian Power Sat, 19 Sep 2009 07:51:03 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-64770 I think this would be a good line since i live in maspeth and theres only buses.A connection from the queens blvd line to the x would use the 63 street tunnel when the second av subway is built and could be used for the connection from downtown second av trains toward queens and vice versa.So far the mta doesnt have a train to/from queens down second av,this is a big mistake.It would also take away passengers from the overcrowded 7 line.A metro north line would be a waste for queens as most passengers in queens are low to middle income and cant afford to take the metro north railroad. I think this would be a good line since i live in maspeth and theres only buses.A connection from the queens blvd line to the x would use the 63 street tunnel when the second av subway is built and could be used for the connection from downtown second av trains toward queens and vice versa.So far the mta doesnt have a train to/from queens down second av,this is a big mistake.It would also take away passengers from the overcrowded 7 line.A metro north line would be a waste for queens as most passengers in queens are low to middle income and cant afford to take the metro north railroad.

]]> By: Jon http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-61610 Jon Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:47:32 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-61610 I think the Bay Bridge branch would be better put to use in an overall plan to increase rail freight to Long Island, perhaps put some of those old LIRR spurs and things to use to reduce the amount of trucks that go to the Island, whos major highways favor cars over trucks. There is so much potential, especially in the Nassau Hub area which has a lot of businesses and a whole abandoned line dating back to the mitchell field days. Stuff coming to Roosevelt Field mall and that area could come by freight train instead of trucks which have to navigate local streets to get there. I think the Bay Bridge branch would be better put to use in an overall plan to increase rail freight to Long Island, perhaps put some of those old LIRR spurs and things to use to reduce the amount of trucks that go to the Island, whos major highways favor cars over trucks. There is so much potential, especially in the Nassau Hub area which has a lot of businesses and a whole abandoned line dating back to the mitchell field days. Stuff coming to Roosevelt Field mall and that area could come by freight train instead of trucks which have to navigate local streets to get there.

]]> By: Future Transit: Select Bus Service’s second phase :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-60889 Future Transit: Select Bus Service’s second phase :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog Wed, 13 May 2009 05:20:39 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-60889 [...] easiest way to accomplish point two would be to implement SBS along the Circumferential route. Such a route would intersect nearly every subway line and would bring riders from Brooklyn through [...] [...] easiest way to accomplish point two would be to implement SBS along the Circumferential route. Such a route would intersect nearly every subway line and would bring riders from Brooklyn through [...]

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » Second Ave. Sagas’ top ten of 2008 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-58076 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » Second Ave. Sagas’ top ten of 2008 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:23:12 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-58076 [...] Inside the circumferential subway route plans During his State of the MTA speech in March, MTA CEO and Executive Director Elliot Sander unveiled [...] [...] Inside the circumferential subway route plans During his State of the MTA speech in March, MTA CEO and Executive Director Elliot Sander unveiled [...]

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » The 1960s subway expansion that never came to be http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-36730 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » The 1960s subway expansion that never came to be Wed, 04 Jun 2008 04:52:52 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-36730 [...] during his State of the MTA speech. The plan focused around the Regional Plan Association’s circumferental subway route. This line, using a mix of MTA rights of way and pre-existing tracks would connect to 19 subway [...] [...] during his State of the MTA speech. The plan focused around the Regional Plan Association’s circumferental subway route. This line, using a mix of MTA rights of way and pre-existing tracks would connect to 19 subway [...]

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Three weeks alter, Sander’s words ring hollow http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-31300 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Three weeks alter, Sander’s words ring hollow Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:08:15 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-31300 [...] Director Elliot Sander, we were so full of hope and optimism. We were even discussing that famous circumferential subway line as though it would actually become a reality before [...] [...] Director Elliot Sander, we were so full of hope and optimism. We were even discussing that famous circumferential subway line as though it would actually become a reality before [...]

]]> By: Jason http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-29647 Jason Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:56:30 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-29647 I think this is a great and really important plan! But I do have some concern over impacts to both freight access on Long Island and capacity of the Hells Gate bridge. If there are 4 tracks on the bridge, 2 for rapid transit and 2 for trains, and if full flyovers are built at the junctions, it probably could work out. But the way I see it, you almost need 3 tracks for the rest of the alignment in the Queens and Brooklyn, 2 for rapid transit and 1 for freight. Otherwise the transit won't run at night or freight won't run at all. If freight doesn't run on the rails, it will run on the roads...in trucks. If a cross-harbor freight rail tunnel is built, there will be a lot more demand for that right of way. I think this is a great and really important plan!

But I do have some concern over impacts to both freight access on Long Island and capacity of the Hells Gate bridge.

If there are 4 tracks on the bridge, 2 for rapid transit and 2 for trains, and if full flyovers are built at the junctions, it probably could work out.

But the way I see it, you almost need 3 tracks for the rest of the alignment in the Queens and Brooklyn, 2 for rapid transit and 1 for freight. Otherwise the transit won’t run at night or freight won’t run at all.

If freight doesn’t run on the rails, it will run on the roads…in trucks. If a cross-harbor freight rail tunnel is built, there will be a lot more demand for that right of way.

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » MTA: No, really, we’ll build something at Fulton St. http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-29476 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » MTA: No, really, we’ll build something at Fulton St. Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:01:56 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/06/inside-the-plans-for-the-circumferential-subway-route/#comment-29476 [...] last week’s discussions about circumferential subway lines of the future, let’s step back and look at something on the MTA’s table that the agency can’t [...] [...] last week’s discussions about circumferential subway lines of the future, let’s step back and look at something on the MTA’s table that the agency can’t [...]

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