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	<title>Comments on: New Grand Theft Auto cuts down our subways</title>
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	<description>A New York City Subway Blog</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 18:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The Secret Conductor</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/28/appreciating-the-subways-through-grand-theft-auto/#comment-31506</link>
		<dc:creator>The Secret Conductor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This looks like some cracked up version of the london loop mixed up with nyc subways. It does have the second (or first, can't tell) ave subway. As for what the rest represents, I haven't a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This looks like some cracked up version of the london loop mixed up with nyc subways. It does have the second (or first, can&#8217;t tell) ave subway. As for what the rest represents, I haven&#8217;t a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Roosevelt Island 360 (Eric)</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/28/appreciating-the-subways-through-grand-theft-auto/#comment-31480</link>
		<dc:creator>Roosevelt Island 360 (Eric)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that the subway system in Liberty City is pre-1989 as it looks like the subway passes under Colony Island (nee Roosevelt Island) but has no stops on the Island.  So unsurprisingly my island gets no respect in the world of GTA IV.

http://rooseveltisland360.blogspot.com/2008/03/in-liberty-city-video-game-is-roosevelt.html

The folks over at Subchat are having fun with this map as well.

http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=591133</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that the subway system in Liberty City is pre-1989 as it looks like the subway passes under Colony Island (nee Roosevelt Island) but has no stops on the Island.  So unsurprisingly my island gets no respect in the world of GTA IV.</p>
<p><a href="http://rooseveltisland360.blogspot.com/2008/03/in-liberty-city-video-game-is-roosevelt.html" rel="nofollow">http://rooseveltisland360.blog.....evelt.html</a></p>
<p>The folks over at Subchat are having fun with this map as well.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=591133" rel="nofollow">http://www.subchat.com/read.asp?Id=591133</a></p>
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		<title>By: R2</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/28/appreciating-the-subways-through-grand-theft-auto/#comment-31454</link>
		<dc:creator>R2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 19:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If this subway system actually existed, it would fall far short of New York's needs.

On the plus side, there IS a 2nd Ave subway in this fictional depiction.  Let's hope it doesn't STAY fictional</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If this subway system actually existed, it would fall far short of New York&#8217;s needs.</p>
<p>On the plus side, there IS a 2nd Ave subway in this fictional depiction.  Let&#8217;s hope it doesn&#8217;t STAY fictional</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/03/28/appreciating-the-subways-through-grand-theft-auto/#comment-31446</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 16:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GTA III was actually based on a fictional New York, but it was more abstract than GTA IV. III had Portland (= Brooklyn), Staunton Island (= Manhattan) and Shoreside Vale (= Staten Island, or New Jersey). There was a subway in GTA III, but it only had four stations (one in Portland, two in Staunton, and one in Shoreside) and they all looked the same. Portland had an elevated line which ran around the perimeter of the borough, but there was no intermodal connection with the subway.

GTA: San Andreas was based on Los Angeles ("Los Santos"), San Francisco ("San Fierro") and Las Vegas ("Las Venturas"). It featured a single inter-city railroad loop with one or two stations in each city. One of the stations in downtown Los Santos was underground so it may have evoked the feeling of the subway. All the others resembled suburban Amtrak or commuter rail stations.

Ultimately, the GTA games are mostly about walking, driving and flying. It just isn't as fun (in the game) to be sitting on a train. Accurately representing the subway system wouldn't have added much to the fun of the game, except maybe for serious transit nerds like us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GTA III was actually based on a fictional New York, but it was more abstract than GTA IV. III had Portland (= Brooklyn), Staunton Island (= Manhattan) and Shoreside Vale (= Staten Island, or New Jersey). There was a subway in GTA III, but it only had four stations (one in Portland, two in Staunton, and one in Shoreside) and they all looked the same. Portland had an elevated line which ran around the perimeter of the borough, but there was no intermodal connection with the subway.</p>
<p>GTA: San Andreas was based on Los Angeles (&#8221;Los Santos&#8221;), San Francisco (&#8221;San Fierro&#8221;) and Las Vegas (&#8221;Las Venturas&#8221;). It featured a single inter-city railroad loop with one or two stations in each city. One of the stations in downtown Los Santos was underground so it may have evoked the feeling of the subway. All the others resembled suburban Amtrak or commuter rail stations.</p>
<p>Ultimately, the GTA games are mostly about walking, driving and flying. It just isn&#8217;t as fun (in the game) to be sitting on a train. Accurately representing the subway system wouldn&#8217;t have added much to the fun of the game, except maybe for serious transit nerds like us.</p>
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