Comments on: The congestion pricing edition of ‘And Now It’s Dead’ http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/ A New York City Subway Blog Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:18:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » Second Ave. Sagas’ top ten of 2008 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-58077 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » Second Ave. Sagas’ top ten of 2008 Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:26:03 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-58077 [...] Second Ave. Sagas. We talked a lot of transit policy as the MTA dealt with a financial crisis, the death of congestion pricing and fare hikes. While advertising often took center stage, we had our fun too as the MTA neared [...] [...] Second Ave. Sagas. We talked a lot of transit policy as the MTA dealt with a financial crisis, the death of congestion pricing and fare hikes. While advertising often took center stage, we had our fun too as the MTA neared [...]

]]> By: Al D http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-45779 Al D Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:18:22 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-45779 With due respects, "Shelly" should be impeached! Thanks to Mr. Silver, Chicago got our $, no vote, no negotiation, nothing. Impeach Shelly now! With due respects, “Shelly” should be impeached! Thanks to Mr. Silver, Chicago got our $, no vote, no negotiation, nothing. Impeach Shelly now!

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » Silver, reaching a new low, blames the MTA for congestion pricing failure http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-45623 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » Silver, reaching a new low, blames the MTA for congestion pricing failure Wed, 20 Aug 2008 05:33:40 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-45623 [...] the skies were blue, the grass was green and Speaker of the New York State Assembly Sheldon Silver killed congestion pricing. At the time, Sheldon Silver’s role in the demise of Mayor Bloomberg’s ambitious plan [...] [...] the skies were blue, the grass was green and Speaker of the New York State Assembly Sheldon Silver killed congestion pricing. At the time, Sheldon Silver’s role in the demise of Mayor Bloomberg’s ambitious plan [...]

]]> By: The Secret Conductor http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-32748 The Secret Conductor Wed, 09 Apr 2008 07:17:09 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-32748 Does anybody know why everyone who is against Congestion Pricing says it hurts the poor and working class driver? I do not know many poor people who can afford gas, car repair, and insurance for a car... not to mention parking fees (everybody can't park in the streets). If the money is going to increase service and other improvements, who is actually being hurt here? Parking in poor neighborhoods? Who is parking in poor neighborhoods? Poor, working class from other poor neighborhoods? What about those who live in NJ? (they don't pay, they already pay going through the tunnels and bridges) ok, what about those people who live upstate? (couldn't the money be used for more service and more buses to pick up whose who are not near current trains or buses... and couldn't the money built larger better parking facilities?) So who does this 8 dollar charge hurt? I guess maybe small businesses. I don't know what answers there are for small businesses. Well? Please someone tell me. Someone please help me understand how congestion pricing hurts poor and working class people? Why did this happen? And where is the billions and billions of dollars of COMMITTED money coming from to support the MTA's projects? Are they somehow going to come up with all this money? TAXES??? lol .50 cents for parking a half an hour... ten minutes... one minute? Higher parking tickets? parking tickets not paid go on your credit report??? Trust me folks, we are just gonna get it another way. We are supposed to get 1.something million more residents and somehow we will do it with the same train system, the same streets, the same buses and so forth. You think your rent is high now. Property taxes? Look up cause that's where the number will be. Then, years from now, we will have Congestion Pricing Part 2 except this time it won't be a trail, it will be perminate and it won't matter if it will work OR NOT. Does anybody know why everyone who is against Congestion Pricing says it hurts the poor and working class driver? I do not know many poor people who can afford gas, car repair, and insurance for a car… not to mention parking fees (everybody can’t park in the streets).

If the money is going to increase service and other improvements, who is actually being hurt here? Parking in poor neighborhoods? Who is parking in poor neighborhoods? Poor, working class from other poor neighborhoods? What about those who live in NJ? (they don’t pay, they already pay going through the tunnels and bridges) ok, what about those people who live upstate? (couldn’t the money be used for more service and more buses to pick up whose who are not near current trains or buses… and couldn’t the money built larger better parking facilities?)

So who does this 8 dollar charge hurt? I guess maybe small businesses. I don’t know what answers there are for small businesses.

Well? Please someone tell me. Someone please help me understand how congestion pricing hurts poor and working class people?

Why did this happen? And where is the billions and billions of dollars of COMMITTED money coming from to support the MTA’s projects? Are they somehow going to come up with all this money? TAXES??? lol .50 cents for parking a half an hour… ten minutes… one minute? Higher parking tickets? parking tickets not paid go on your credit report??? Trust me folks, we are just gonna get it another way. We are supposed to get 1.something million more residents and somehow we will do it with the same train system, the same streets, the same buses and so forth. You think your rent is high now. Property taxes? Look up cause that’s where the number will be.

Then, years from now, we will have Congestion Pricing Part 2 except this time it won’t be a trail, it will be perminate and it won’t matter if it will work OR NOT.

]]> By: john A http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-32686 john A Tue, 08 Apr 2008 19:03:22 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-32686 i own a business in nyc we employ at least 200 people i am for congestion pricing it would relieve major traffic tie ups in and out of nyc i live in nj and am all for it. let's get the workers back on the buses and trains where they belong i own a business in nyc we employ at least 200 people i am for congestion pricing it would relieve major traffic tie ups in and out of nyc i live in nj and am all for it. let’s get the workers back on the buses and trains where they belong

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Requiem for congestion pricing http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-32641 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » Requiem for congestion pricing Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:20:42 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-32641 [...] hours after the congestion pricing bill seemingly died in conference today without an Assembly floor vote, Assemblywoman Joan Millman from Brooklyn’s 52nd [...] [...] hours after the congestion pricing bill seemingly died in conference today without an Assembly floor vote, Assemblywoman Joan Millman from Brooklyn’s 52nd [...]

]]> By: Isaac B http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-32633 Isaac B Tue, 08 Apr 2008 02:53:33 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-32633 Not surprised. Too many Democrats opposing, not to mention the Republican Senate, which doesn't do anything in favor of NYC unless "tribute" is paid. Early in the process, I shared with a fellow bike/ped activist that CP was a nice idea, but not worth activists' time, effort and political capital. Assuming CP were to get implemented, there's no guarantee that it would have the desired effect (unclog the CBD and raise funds for transit). What works in London may or may not work the same way in NYC. And, it does little to change the even worse "auto-centric" mentality beyond the cordon (trying to cross a street near the Belt in Brooklyn yesterday, with a dozen turning cars barrelling through with no regard for the crossing peds, reminded me of just how bad it can be). There you have it. Now we can go back to fighting for smaller, but more "concrete" (pardon the pun) progress (like horn-blowing enforcement). Not surprised. Too many Democrats opposing, not to mention the Republican Senate, which doesn’t do anything in favor of NYC unless “tribute” is paid. Early in the process, I shared with a fellow bike/ped activist that CP was a nice idea, but not worth activists’ time, effort and political capital. Assuming CP were to get implemented, there’s no guarantee that it would have the desired effect (unclog the CBD and raise funds for transit). What works in London may or may not work the same way in NYC. And, it does little to change the even worse “auto-centric” mentality beyond the cordon (trying to cross a street near the Belt in Brooklyn yesterday, with a dozen turning cars barrelling through with no regard for the crossing peds, reminded me of just how bad it can be). There you have it. Now we can go back to fighting for smaller, but more “concrete” (pardon the pun) progress (like horn-blowing enforcement).

]]> By: shan http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-32616 shan Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:22:52 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-32616 there was clearly nothing to prevent 'elite' manhattanites to buy cars if the roads were cleared. In the long run, I wonder if the number of cars would have been reduced. London is facing a similar problem - the people inside the congestion zone tend to buy more cars once fewer cars start coming in. there was clearly nothing to prevent ‘elite’ manhattanites to buy cars if the roads were cleared. In the long run, I wonder if the number of cars would have been reduced. London is facing a similar problem – the people inside the congestion zone tend to buy more cars once fewer cars start coming in.

]]> By: Todd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-32615 Todd Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:17:56 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-32615 Well, in that case, you contact Silver here: http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?ad=064&sh=con Well, in that case, you contact Silver here:
http://assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?ad=064&sh=con

]]> By: Mischa G. http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/07/and-now-its-dead-congestion-pricing-edition/#comment-32614 Mischa G. Mon, 07 Apr 2008 22:09:17 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=776#comment-32614 Uggh, I shoulda known they'd do it, but still, very disappointing to say the least. Uggh, I shoulda known they’d do it, but still, very disappointing to say the least.

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