Comments on: Requiem for congestion pricing http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/ A New York City Subway Blog Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:42:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » East River bridge tolls could fund MTA capital program http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-33979 Second Ave. Sagas | Blogging the NYC Subways » Blog Archive » East River bridge tolls could fund MTA capital program Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:21:08 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-33979 [...] those of us in the pro-congestion pricing camp were busy slamming Sheldon Silver and mourning the death of Mayor Bloomberg’s radical and potentially revolutionary congestion [...] […] those of us in the pro-congestion pricing camp were busy slamming Sheldon Silver and mourning the death of Mayor Bloomberg’s radical and potentially revolutionary congestion […]

]]> By: John http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-32899 John Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:52:28 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-32899 Here is a more in-depth article than the one I posted above on the remarks made by FTA's Jim Simpson today: http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/federal-transit-chief-calls-defeat-of-congestion-pricing-short-sighted/ Here is a more in-depth article than the one I posted above on the remarks made by FTA’s Jim Simpson today:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes......t-sighted/

]]> By: John http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-32895 John Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:05:16 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-32895 Despite the CP upset it is good to know that the FTA seems to be in this for the long haul. Check this out, fromt The Real Deal: http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/fta-head-says-traffic-debate-isn-t-over The article quotes FTA's Jim Simpson saying that "New York would be at the top of any list" of applicants for future congesting pricing funds, although it sounds like any future federal funds would not quite be as rich as the $354 million we missed out on this time. And then, encouragingly, there is this: "Simpson warned that New Yorkers should not expect better bus and train service in rapidly-developing neighborhoods unless the city gets serious about charging cars that create gridlock in Manhattan." So there is some reason to hope. Maybe? Despite the CP upset it is good to know that the FTA seems to be in this for the long haul. Check this out, fromt The Real Deal:

http://ny.therealdeal.com/arti.....isn-t-over

The article quotes FTA’s Jim Simpson saying that “New York would be at the top of any list” of applicants for future congesting pricing funds, although it sounds like any future federal funds would not quite be as rich as the $354 million we missed out on this time.

And then, encouragingly, there is this: “Simpson warned that New Yorkers should not expect better bus and train service in rapidly-developing neighborhoods unless the city gets serious about charging cars that create gridlock in Manhattan.”

So there is some reason to hope. Maybe?

]]> By: rob w http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-32887 rob w Thu, 10 Apr 2008 18:49:11 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-32887 This article blasting the speaker is totally bonkers. Is the writer for this article on crack or just being on Bloomie Baloney's payroll? First, our speaker is a savior and a hero to his people of NYC. Secondly, we're in a recession and we're not rich like you. Give me a freaking break that the money will go to MTA. Dreaming. I guess the Lotto money all went to the school as they're supposed to be as promised in the beginning. I don't think you've lived here long enough to be a true New Yorker of this city. Ever since this god damn mayor got elected everything went up more than 75% either in fees, provisions, property taxes, parking tix, & etc. Not one thing weren't being taxed extra or raised higher since he took office. Give me a break! Speaker Silver for Mayor!!! This article blasting the speaker is totally bonkers. Is the writer for this article on crack or just being on Bloomie Baloney’s payroll? First, our speaker is a savior and a hero to his people of NYC. Secondly, we’re in a recession and we’re not rich like you. Give me a freaking break that the money will go to MTA. Dreaming.
I guess the Lotto money all went to the school as they’re supposed to be as promised in the beginning. I don’t think you’ve lived here long enough to be a true New Yorker of this city. Ever since this god damn mayor got elected everything went up more than 75% either in fees, provisions, property taxes, parking tix, & etc. Not one thing weren’t being taxed extra or raised higher since he took office.
Give me a break! Speaker Silver for Mayor!!!

]]> By: sustainableflatbush.org » Blog Archive » I *STILL* Support Congestion Pricing http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-32733 sustainableflatbush.org » Blog Archive » I *STILL* Support Congestion Pricing Wed, 09 Apr 2008 04:44:22 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-32733 [...] • “While some Queens politicians are claiming that the plan is elitist, the reality of it is that the elites killed this plan. With money going toward transit and a better environment for our city as part of the payoff, congestion pricing was and always will be a populist plan.” (Second Avenue Sagas) [...] […] • “While some Queens politicians are claiming that the plan is elitist, the reality of it is that the elites killed this plan. With money going toward transit and a better environment for our city as part of the payoff, congestion pricing was and always will be a populist plan.” (Second Avenue Sagas) […]

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-32682 Marc Shepherd Tue, 08 Apr 2008 16:53:57 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-32682 <em>I’m guessing the fare will end up being $2.25 by next year but even that won’t do a whole hell of a lot to solve the funding holes.</em> The fare was going to $2.25 next year even <em>with</em> congestion pricing. You also need to bear in mind that farebox revenues go towards operating expenses, while CP would have funded capital improvements. They are really quite separate revenue streams. I agree with Ben that there's no way they'd totally close the subway overnight. The more likely casualty is that capital projects will be deferred. I’m guessing the fare will end up being $2.25 by next year but even that won’t do a whole hell of a lot to solve the funding holes.

The fare was going to $2.25 next year even with congestion pricing. You also need to bear in mind that farebox revenues go towards operating expenses, while CP would have funded capital improvements. They are really quite separate revenue streams.

I agree with Ben that there’s no way they’d totally close the subway overnight. The more likely casualty is that capital projects will be deferred.

]]> By: smokedgouda http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-32668 smokedgouda Tue, 08 Apr 2008 13:01:17 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-32668 Silver is the absolute worst in politics. He's like a tumor that has grown to the side of New York. People think he helps the city, but in fact he is a complete cancer on progress. Silver is the absolute worst in politics. He’s like a tumor that has grown to the side of New York. People think he helps the city, but in fact he is a complete cancer on progress.

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-32651 Benjamin Kabak Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:32:38 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-32651 Kevin, As much as the April Fools joke seems that the obvious way out, I think the reality is bit more complicated. It would probably cost the MTA a lot more to shutter and secure 468 stations while securing and finding resting spots for their entire rolling stock. The system just isn't designed to withstand any sort of closing like that. Kevin,

As much as the April Fools joke seems that the obvious way out, I think the reality is bit more complicated. It would probably cost the MTA a lot more to shutter and secure 468 stations while securing and finding resting spots for their entire rolling stock. The system just isn’t designed to withstand any sort of closing like that.

]]> By: Kevin http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-32647 Kevin Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:15:19 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-32647 I'm guessing the fare will end up being $2.25 by next year but even that won't do a whole hell of a lot to solve the funding holes. What can the TA really do? They can cut administrative staff by another 10% probably but after that, it's going to get awful hard to find new places to cut. The unions won't budge (as their cost of living goes up) and fuel/electricity prices are skyrocketing. I have a feeling your April Fool's joke will look a bit more appetizing to the MTA as their black hole grows deeper. I’m guessing the fare will end up being $2.25 by next year but even that won’t do a whole hell of a lot to solve the funding holes. What can the TA really do? They can cut administrative staff by another 10% probably but after that, it’s going to get awful hard to find new places to cut. The unions won’t budge (as their cost of living goes up) and fuel/electricity prices are skyrocketing.

I have a feeling your April Fool’s joke will look a bit more appetizing to the MTA as their black hole grows deeper.

]]> By: Gary http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/08/requiem-for-congestion-pricing/#comment-32644 Gary Tue, 08 Apr 2008 04:40:22 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=778#comment-32644 A disgrace. A disgrace.

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