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	<title>Comments on: Coming soon-ish: cameras in the subway cars</title>
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		<title>By: Camera- and flip seat-equipped train debuts on E :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/29/coming-soon-ish-cameras-in-the-subway-cars/#comment-72826</link>
		<dc:creator>Camera- and flip seat-equipped train debuts on E :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The MTA first announced plans to install cameras in subway cars as early as March 2007, and in April 2008, Transit said that some R160 at a certain point in the future would play host to the pilot. Last [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/29/coming-soon-ish-cameras-in-the-subway-cars/#comment-58700</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 13:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s about time as we all know they have installed the cameras as you go through the tolls booths, Las Vegas has had surveillances cameras for a lifetime do you really think the eye in the sky cares what you are doing after 2 weeks of watching the tape no one cares what you are doing. Now how great it will be to know that the women who were attacked can now be caught on tape. They should have had it years ago. 
Safe &amp; Secure http://www.guardyourselfnow.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s about time as we all know they have installed the cameras as you go through the tolls booths, Las Vegas has had surveillances cameras for a lifetime do you really think the eye in the sky cares what you are doing after 2 weeks of watching the tape no one cares what you are doing. Now how great it will be to know that the women who were attacked can now be caught on tape. They should have had it years ago.<br />
Safe &amp; Secure <a href="http://www.guardyourselfnow.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardyourselfnow.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Facing overly ambitious timeframe, subway security cameras face more delays</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/29/coming-soon-ish-cameras-in-the-subway-cars/#comment-38045</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Facing overly ambitious timeframe, subway security cameras face more delays</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 21:13:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as astute riders may have noticed by now, subway cars do not have cameras. While the MTA promised a pilot program a few months ago, New York City is a long way away from seeing and being seen by surveillance [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as astute riders may have noticed by now, subway cars do not have cameras. While the MTA promised a pilot program a few months ago, New York City is a long way away from seeing and being seen by surveillance [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/29/coming-soon-ish-cameras-in-the-subway-cars/#comment-34660</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 00:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm, the NYCLU was &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nyclu.org/node/1698&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pretty active&lt;/a&gt; on the cameras and congestion pricing issue.  Where are they on cameras in the subways?  The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nyclu.org/node/521&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;last press release&lt;/a&gt; was in 2006.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm, the NYCLU was <a href="http://www.nyclu.org/node/1698" rel="nofollow">pretty active</a> on the cameras and congestion pricing issue.  Where are they on cameras in the subways?  The <a href="http://www.nyclu.org/node/521" rel="nofollow">last press release</a> was in 2006.</p>
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		<title>By: The Boss</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/29/coming-soon-ish-cameras-in-the-subway-cars/#comment-34643</link>
		<dc:creator>The Boss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally, cameras in the subway, something that could be useful in the courts. These cameras should have been installed years ago. 

After the MTA finish testing their reliablity, could you please put it on board every train in the system. Also, you could you place camera in the stations? It will certainly help reduce crime in the subway and catch does vandalizing subway property.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally, cameras in the subway, something that could be useful in the courts. These cameras should have been installed years ago. </p>
<p>After the MTA finish testing their reliablity, could you please put it on board every train in the system. Also, you could you place camera in the stations? It will certainly help reduce crime in the subway and catch does vandalizing subway property.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/29/coming-soon-ish-cameras-in-the-subway-cars/#comment-34603</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;And besides, no one is going to track down hours of worthless tape for the sake of spying.&lt;/i&gt;

Why not? It&#039;s good blackmail material. It also invites bribes: if you want to track someone down, you pay a surveillance employee to let you look at tapes of him enter and exit the subway car, so that you&#039;ll know which station he gets off at.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And besides, no one is going to track down hours of worthless tape for the sake of spying.</i></p>
<p>Why not? It&#8217;s good blackmail material. It also invites bribes: if you want to track someone down, you pay a surveillance employee to let you look at tapes of him enter and exit the subway car, so that you&#8217;ll know which station he gets off at.</p>
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		<title>By: Maik</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/29/coming-soon-ish-cameras-in-the-subway-cars/#comment-34561</link>
		<dc:creator>Maik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;good&quot; will not only not outweigh the bad; the good simply doesn&#039;t exist.

The subway system of Berlin, Germany recently starting rolling out in-train cameras, and they had a scientific study accompany the project. The results were completely clear: The effect of in-train cameras on security and crime rates is zero. Not small, not very small, but absolutely zero. The cameras were shown to reduce crime &lt;em&gt;not at all, not even a little&lt;/em&gt; during the one-year study.

The BVG continued the camera project anyway and tried to keep the study from being published. They now argue that the cameras will at least help people &quot;feel&quot; safer.

Similar results are available from London, UK.

Security cameras are useless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;good&#8221; will not only not outweigh the bad; the good simply doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>The subway system of Berlin, Germany recently starting rolling out in-train cameras, and they had a scientific study accompany the project. The results were completely clear: The effect of in-train cameras on security and crime rates is zero. Not small, not very small, but absolutely zero. The cameras were shown to reduce crime <em>not at all, not even a little</em> during the one-year study.</p>
<p>The BVG continued the camera project anyway and tried to keep the study from being published. They now argue that the cameras will at least help people &#8220;feel&#8221; safer.</p>
<p>Similar results are available from London, UK.</p>
<p>Security cameras are useless.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/29/coming-soon-ish-cameras-in-the-subway-cars/#comment-34557</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 13:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose this is inevitable, but since &quot;monitoring technology&quot; is thankfully still in its infancy, there is as of yet no software that can identify individual people or their actions from tape. A human must still watch and process the video. Can you imagine a  (paid!) MTA employee dozing through hour after hour of tape of subway riders similarly dozing?

The first thing a vandal will do is spraypaint the camera lens.

It&#039;s hard to imagine this system producing anything useful. I can only see baneful ends... Big Brother&#039;s encroaching, ever-watchful eye upon us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose this is inevitable, but since &#8220;monitoring technology&#8221; is thankfully still in its infancy, there is as of yet no software that can identify individual people or their actions from tape. A human must still watch and process the video. Can you imagine a  (paid!) MTA employee dozing through hour after hour of tape of subway riders similarly dozing?</p>
<p>The first thing a vandal will do is spraypaint the camera lens.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine this system producing anything useful. I can only see baneful ends&#8230; Big Brother&#8217;s encroaching, ever-watchful eye upon us.</p>
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		<title>By: Streetsblog &#187; Today&#8217;s Headlines</title>
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		<dc:creator>Streetsblog &#187; Today&#8217;s Headlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: ScottE</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/29/coming-soon-ish-cameras-in-the-subway-cars/#comment-34554</link>
		<dc:creator>ScottE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;pilot program&quot; is probably to make sure they can get the technology to work reliably, not to test its effectiveness.  There have been plenty of larger-scale installations (i.e. the train arrival signs on the L line) which don&#039;t always work well.

The test should make sure that the cameras are positioned in the right place, make sure that you don&#039;t get fuzzy video, or none at all, and that the images can be viewed or recorded according to plan.  It might also serve as a benchmark for how much recording capacity they need.

If it actually stops crime on two cars, or even more outrageous, if a new employee is hired to simply monitor two cars&#039; worth of video, I&#039;ll be shocked.

Oh, and the L is using R160s?  I thought they were all R143s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;pilot program&#8221; is probably to make sure they can get the technology to work reliably, not to test its effectiveness.  There have been plenty of larger-scale installations (i.e. the train arrival signs on the L line) which don&#8217;t always work well.</p>
<p>The test should make sure that the cameras are positioned in the right place, make sure that you don&#8217;t get fuzzy video, or none at all, and that the images can be viewed or recorded according to plan.  It might also serve as a benchmark for how much recording capacity they need.</p>
<p>If it actually stops crime on two cars, or even more outrageous, if a new employee is hired to simply monitor two cars&#8217; worth of video, I&#8217;ll be shocked.</p>
<p>Oh, and the L is using R160s?  I thought they were all R143s.</p>
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