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	<title>Comments on: Queens pol urges MTA to sell property, move to his borough</title>
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		<title>By: Streetsblog &#187; Kruger, Espada, and Diaz Put MTA Rescue on Life Support</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/06/16/queens-pol-urges-mta-to-sell-property-move-to-his-borough/#comment-59134</link>
		<dc:creator>Streetsblog &#187; Kruger, Espada, and Diaz Put MTA Rescue on Life Support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 21:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The three senators are &quot;demanding&quot; that the MTA agree to a forensic audit conducted by an outside entity and a complete accounting of all its assets - including real estate holdings, which is an issue other lawmakers have been hammering on for a while now. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The three senators are &quot;demanding&quot; that the MTA agree to a forensic audit conducted by an outside entity and a complete accounting of all its assets &#8211; including real estate holdings, which is an issue other lawmakers have been hammering on for a while now. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Millionaries on MTA Board fight for their perks</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/06/16/queens-pol-urges-mta-to-sell-property-move-to-his-borough/#comment-37581</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Millionaries on MTA Board fight for their perks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 12:10 p.m.: Eric Gioia — yes, that Eric Gioia — has released a statement about this debacle: &#8220;Vice Chairman Mack should either clarify [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 12:10 p.m.: Eric Gioia — yes, that Eric Gioia — has released a statement about this debacle: &#8220;Vice Chairman Mack should either clarify [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/06/16/queens-pol-urges-mta-to-sell-property-move-to-his-borough/#comment-37368</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boris,

Downtown Brooklyn is actually a good example of a place that can at best function as a secondary downtown. It has good transit connections to Manhattan and the rest of Brooklyn, and could have good transit connections to Queens and Staten Island. However, it doesn&#039;t connect well to the Bronx, to say nothing of New Jersey. The one transit line it does get from Queens, the G, is perenially underused.

In contrast, look at Midtown, which began as a secondary downtown to Lower Manhattan and became the primary downtown. At the time it developed, the most populous bedroom communities were in Uptown Manhattan, from which Midtown was very accessible by subway or el. The boomburbs in Queens and the Bronx were likewise closer to Midtown. Even Brooklyn, the source of the second highest number of commuters, was reasonably close by subway. New Jersey is situated in such a way that it made sense to send the Hudson Tubes both downtown and uptown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boris,</p>
<p>Downtown Brooklyn is actually a good example of a place that can at best function as a secondary downtown. It has good transit connections to Manhattan and the rest of Brooklyn, and could have good transit connections to Queens and Staten Island. However, it doesn&#8217;t connect well to the Bronx, to say nothing of New Jersey. The one transit line it does get from Queens, the G, is perenially underused.</p>
<p>In contrast, look at Midtown, which began as a secondary downtown to Lower Manhattan and became the primary downtown. At the time it developed, the most populous bedroom communities were in Uptown Manhattan, from which Midtown was very accessible by subway or el. The boomburbs in Queens and the Bronx were likewise closer to Midtown. Even Brooklyn, the source of the second highest number of commuters, was reasonably close by subway. New Jersey is situated in such a way that it made sense to send the Hudson Tubes both downtown and uptown.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/06/16/queens-pol-urges-mta-to-sell-property-move-to-his-borough/#comment-37362</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 03:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alon,

These several downtowns would still be dense enough to have public transit make sense. Although, building a few more subway lines wouldn&#039;t hurt either. But some changes would be easy to make. Here on Staten Island, for example, some people are clamoring for an express bus to downtown Brooklyn. It&#039;s an area with quite a few office buildings but as much or less public transit as the typical Manhattan residential neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon,</p>
<p>These several downtowns would still be dense enough to have public transit make sense. Although, building a few more subway lines wouldn&#8217;t hurt either. But some changes would be easy to make. Here on Staten Island, for example, some people are clamoring for an express bus to downtown Brooklyn. It&#8217;s an area with quite a few office buildings but as much or less public transit as the typical Manhattan residential neighborhood.</p>
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		<title>By: R2</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/06/16/queens-pol-urges-mta-to-sell-property-move-to-his-borough/#comment-37334</link>
		<dc:creator>R2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:57:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What makes this all the much worse is that he represents me (and I VOTED for him???) !!!!! 

For shame!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes this all the much worse is that he represents me (and I VOTED for him???) !!!!! </p>
<p>For shame!</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/06/16/queens-pol-urges-mta-to-sell-property-move-to-his-borough/#comment-37326</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:28:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the contrary, it&#039;s a bad idea to decentralize the city. Mass transit systems are inherently centralized, because for cost reasons they can only serve the most popular routes. It&#039;s possible to have some decent suburb-to-suburb travel using through-routing of commuter rail and circumferential lines, but even then the train can&#039;t compete with the car on speed.

To see how this works, suppose that a new downtown gets developed around Jamaica Station. If you live in Queens, Long Island, or the parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn that are reasonably close to Penn Station or Flatbush Terminal, you can get there with trains. Otherwise, you have to use a car or else the trip will take more than an hour and a half.

People can&#039;t just decide to live close to where they work. They change jobs too often. They sometimes live with people who work elsewhere. I work at Columbia; my girlfriend works at Cornell Medical Center. The only parts of the city from which you can get to both on the subway in under half an hour are Midtown and the Village, neither of which is affordable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the contrary, it&#8217;s a bad idea to decentralize the city. Mass transit systems are inherently centralized, because for cost reasons they can only serve the most popular routes. It&#8217;s possible to have some decent suburb-to-suburb travel using through-routing of commuter rail and circumferential lines, but even then the train can&#8217;t compete with the car on speed.</p>
<p>To see how this works, suppose that a new downtown gets developed around Jamaica Station. If you live in Queens, Long Island, or the parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn that are reasonably close to Penn Station or Flatbush Terminal, you can get there with trains. Otherwise, you have to use a car or else the trip will take more than an hour and a half.</p>
<p>People can&#8217;t just decide to live close to where they work. They change jobs too often. They sometimes live with people who work elsewhere. I work at Columbia; my girlfriend works at Cornell Medical Center. The only parts of the city from which you can get to both on the subway in under half an hour are Midtown and the Village, neither of which is affordable.</p>
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		<title>By: paulb</title>
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		<dc:creator>paulb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MTA administers services to Westchester, Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland, etc., so it makes sense that its HQ would be located near Grand Central. You&#039;d think Gioia would have just a little shame in making such a stupid and self-serving declaration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MTA administers services to Westchester, Nassau, Suffolk, Rockland, etc., so it makes sense that its HQ would be located near Grand Central. You&#8217;d think Gioia would have just a little shame in making such a stupid and self-serving declaration.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/06/16/queens-pol-urges-mta-to-sell-property-move-to-his-borough/#comment-37323</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 15:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with The Secret Conductor. 

Also, I agree with Mr. Gioia in spirit- it&#039;s a good idea to decentralize the city by creating local downtowns/commercial areas. That way, more people can live close to work (or deal with the potentially nightmarish scenario of using public transit to get to work when it&#039;s not located in Manhattan. But that&#039;s a different story). Also, it would help Manhattan&#039;s overinflated real estate prices come down, reduce overcrowding in Manhattan&#039;s transit choke points, and revitalize neighborhoods.

But Mr. Gioia is way off on selling property to make up a budget shortfall. That just doesn&#039;t make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with The Secret Conductor. </p>
<p>Also, I agree with Mr. Gioia in spirit- it&#8217;s a good idea to decentralize the city by creating local downtowns/commercial areas. That way, more people can live close to work (or deal with the potentially nightmarish scenario of using public transit to get to work when it&#8217;s not located in Manhattan. But that&#8217;s a different story). Also, it would help Manhattan&#8217;s overinflated real estate prices come down, reduce overcrowding in Manhattan&#8217;s transit choke points, and revitalize neighborhoods.</p>
<p>But Mr. Gioia is way off on selling property to make up a budget shortfall. That just doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: The Secret Conductor</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Secret Conductor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 07:03:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t  it behoove the MTA to KEEP the property and just move out? They can move out and lease the space out. The cost to lease would include how much they pay for the place yearly PLUS the cost of moving into another space (in Queens I would assume lol)... heck, I&#039;m not going to own a property just to sell it (at the worst possible time) and then and start renting in NYC; the most expensive places to rent in the world.

Then this only solves my financial problems for what? A year or 2?

I think this Queens politician needs to speak to a financial advisor. You don&#039;t sell your property and become a renter and expect things to get better. And where in Queens would they move? lol

As I wrote already, you move to a rental and rent out your space of your property and set the rent at a price that pays for the property and at least part of the rent of where you have moved to. Now you are in a new spot, still own the old spot and you are not paying very much for the rent of the new spot.

I think my idea can actually work. At least its better than his.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t  it behoove the MTA to KEEP the property and just move out? They can move out and lease the space out. The cost to lease would include how much they pay for the place yearly PLUS the cost of moving into another space (in Queens I would assume lol)&#8230; heck, I&#8217;m not going to own a property just to sell it (at the worst possible time) and then and start renting in NYC; the most expensive places to rent in the world.</p>
<p>Then this only solves my financial problems for what? A year or 2?</p>
<p>I think this Queens politician needs to speak to a financial advisor. You don&#8217;t sell your property and become a renter and expect things to get better. And where in Queens would they move? lol</p>
<p>As I wrote already, you move to a rental and rent out your space of your property and set the rent at a price that pays for the property and at least part of the rent of where you have moved to. Now you are in a new spot, still own the old spot and you are not paying very much for the rent of the new spot.</p>
<p>I think my idea can actually work. At least its better than his.</p>
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