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	<title>Comments on: NYC Transit won&#8217;t begin anti-groping PSAs for fear of encouraging more groping</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NYC Transit set to debut anti-harrassment posters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NYC Transit set to debut anti-harrassment posters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] mid-July, New York City Transit came under fire when word got out about the inactivity surrounding to a few planned anti-groping PSAs. According to reports at the time, the agency had been hesitant to launch an awareness campaign [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] mid-July, New York City Transit came under fire when word got out about the inactivity surrounding to a few planned anti-groping PSAs. According to reports at the time, the agency had been hesitant to launch an awareness campaign [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 10:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't understand what you're saying about minimizing infection. I thought epidemiologists wanted to increase the strength of treatment, not limit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand what you&#8217;re saying about minimizing infection. I thought epidemiologists wanted to increase the strength of treatment, not limit it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Gruen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Gruen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 03:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The concern is legitimate. The wording, as MarkB pointed out, is absurd.

Interestingly, epidemiologists do the same thing with stabilizing infectious diseases: by limiting the strength of treatments, they can actually minimize infection at much MUCH less cost than eradicating them entirely (which is in many cases, cost prohibitive). 

I say put 'em up. Reports will definitely go up regardless of actual gropes based on increased expectancy to report such a thing; but, that statistic will likely have the opposite effect that the policy makers want to see. The want to see the number go down, and keeping quiet is probably the best way for them to keep their jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The concern is legitimate. The wording, as MarkB pointed out, is absurd.</p>
<p>Interestingly, epidemiologists do the same thing with stabilizing infectious diseases: by limiting the strength of treatments, they can actually minimize infection at much MUCH less cost than eradicating them entirely (which is in many cases, cost prohibitive). </p>
<p>I say put &#8216;em up. Reports will definitely go up regardless of actual gropes based on increased expectancy to report such a thing; but, that statistic will likely have the opposite effect that the policy makers want to see. The want to see the number go down, and keeping quiet is probably the best way for them to keep their jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: km</title>
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		<dc:creator>km</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I overheard (wrong word, they were very loud) 5 MTA workers on the subway joking about a 15-year-old being raped.

I'm pretty sure the organization just doesn't consider it a problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I overheard (wrong word, they were very loud) 5 MTA workers on the subway joking about a 15-year-old being raped.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure the organization just doesn&#8217;t consider it a problem.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkB</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 22:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Rub against me and I'll expose you"? The wording would seem to invite guys who like to expose themselves, no? They might want to re-word that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rub against me and I&#8217;ll expose you&#8221;? The wording would seem to invite guys who like to expose themselves, no? They might want to re-word that one.</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:13:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true.  I hadn't molested anyone in a while, but after I read Ben's post, I couldn't help myself.

Ben, I blame you for people being molested in the subways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true.  I hadn&#8217;t molested anyone in a while, but after I read Ben&#8217;s post, I couldn&#8217;t help myself.</p>
<p>Ben, I blame you for people being molested in the subways.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottE</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 15:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know that a PR-campaign of this nature would create new offenders.  Someone who wants to rub up against another straphanger inappropriately would certainly recognize the opportunity soon enough.

On the other hand, I can understand how some posters might inspire people to break the rules.  One that comes to mind is the one with the guy clinging to the outside of a subway car doorway (feet on the door threshold, fingers in the rain-gutter). That might inspire some thrill-seekers to try something something they never thought of before.  Just like these viral &lt;a href="http://weblogs.amny.com/news/local/tracker/blog/2008/07/platform_jumping.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;platform jumping videos&lt;/a&gt; that amNY brought to our attention earlier in the month likely inspired copycats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know that a PR-campaign of this nature would create new offenders.  Someone who wants to rub up against another straphanger inappropriately would certainly recognize the opportunity soon enough.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I can understand how some posters might inspire people to break the rules.  One that comes to mind is the one with the guy clinging to the outside of a subway car doorway (feet on the door threshold, fingers in the rain-gutter). That might inspire some thrill-seekers to try something something they never thought of before.  Just like these viral <a href="http://weblogs.amny.com/news/local/tracker/blog/2008/07/platform_jumping.html" rel="nofollow">platform jumping videos</a> that amNY brought to our attention earlier in the month likely inspired copycats.</p>
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		<title>By: StationStops</title>
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		<dc:creator>StationStops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 14:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their concern isn't stupid - its certainly legitimate. Marketing that this problem exists will definitely *create* some offenders - some sickos just need someone to suggest it.

However, I agree that its probably more important overall that the campaign goes up - it will send a message to offenders that people are paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their concern isn&#8217;t stupid - its certainly legitimate. Marketing that this problem exists will definitely *create* some offenders - some sickos just need someone to suggest it.</p>
<p>However, I agree that its probably more important overall that the campaign goes up - it will send a message to offenders that people are paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the MTA has a point. That doesn't look like a very good add to me. From the woman's face, she could be thinking, "Why didn't that guy wear his deodorant today?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the MTA has a point. That doesn&#8217;t look like a very good add to me. From the woman&#8217;s face, she could be thinking, &#8220;Why didn&#8217;t that guy wear his deodorant today?&#8221;</p>
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