Comments on: Goethals Bridge replacement to save space for transit http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/ A New York City Subway Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:24:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » Goethals Bridge renderings unveiled http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-46721 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » Goethals Bridge renderings unveiled Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:30:53 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-46721 [...] days ago, I told you about plans to include space for transit on the new span set to replace the Goethals Bridge replacement. Yesterday, Mobilizing the Region [...] [...] days ago, I told you about plans to include space for transit on the new span set to replace the Goethals Bridge replacement. Yesterday, Mobilizing the Region [...]

]]> By: Phil http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-45543 Phil Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:05:25 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-45543 Moses was against any form of public transit. In his eyes it was filthy and for the lower class. I think his vision was to build highways all over the place to serve the new suburban middle class as he felt that the car was a big luxury that the middle class should be allowed to enjoy to its fullest. Have to give the man credit for getting stuff done, but he was stubborn and short sighted. He even had some crazy ideas like building a highway right through lower Manhattan. Moses was against any form of public transit. In his eyes it was filthy and for the lower class. I think his vision was to build highways all over the place to serve the new suburban middle class as he felt that the car was a big luxury that the middle class should be allowed to enjoy to its fullest.

Have to give the man credit for getting stuff done, but he was stubborn and short sighted. He even had some crazy ideas like building a highway right through lower Manhattan.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-45501 Alon Levy Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:24:43 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-45501 Moses was anything but bus-friendly. He even constructed parkways with overhead bridges too low for buses to pass. Moses was anything but bus-friendly. He even constructed parkways with overhead bridges too low for buses to pass.

]]> By: KaiB http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-45492 KaiB Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:40:58 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-45492 Well, Moses was notoriously car-friendly (and along with that goes bus-friendly). With the GWB it was mostly a design issue. Not adding rail trusses saved a lot of weight. Well, Moses was notoriously car-friendly (and along with that goes bus-friendly). With the GWB it was mostly a design issue. Not adding rail trusses saved a lot of weight.

]]> By: paulb http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-45483 paulb Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:49:56 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-45483 I'm pretty sure it was to be an extension of the Queens Blvd IND subway line. A short-lived subway stub/spur ran along that right of way to serve the 1938 World's Fair, but it was removed when the fair closed and then the Van Wyck was built. I’m pretty sure it was to be an extension of the Queens Blvd IND subway line. A short-lived subway stub/spur ran along that right of way to serve the 1938 World’s Fair, but it was removed when the fair closed and then the Van Wyck was built.

]]> By: paulb http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-45482 paulb Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:46:08 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-45482 I've wondered for years why the George Washington Bridge design never included a spur for either the existing IRT subway in northern Manhattan or the then-under-construction Eighth Avenue IND (A train). You can't blame that on Robert Moses. I suppose they just figured a bus terminus on 179th street would serve the purpose. I think that was short-sighted, imagine if today buses could drop off passengers on the Ft. Lee side of the bridge rather than make the trip into Manhattan. (Not to mention the potential for extending the subway into a dense suburb.) Maybe the PA is floating the idea of a mass transit setup on the new Goethals as a way to encourage other agencies to propose uses for it. I’ve wondered for years why the George Washington Bridge design never included a spur for either the existing IRT subway in northern Manhattan or the then-under-construction Eighth Avenue IND (A train). You can’t blame that on Robert Moses. I suppose they just figured a bus terminus on 179th street would serve the purpose. I think that was short-sighted, imagine if today buses could drop off passengers on the Ft. Lee side of the bridge rather than make the trip into Manhattan. (Not to mention the potential for extending the subway into a dense suburb.)

Maybe the PA is floating the idea of a mass transit setup on the new Goethals as a way to encourage other agencies to propose uses for it.

]]> By: herenthere http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-45414 herenthere Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:29:03 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-45414 Oh-so what were these transit lanes reserved for? Were they HOV style? Oh-so what were these transit lanes reserved for? Were they HOV style?

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-45397 Benjamin Kabak Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:46:15 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-45397 Did I write BQE originally? My bad. It's really the Van Wyck. I've corrected the post. Did I write BQE originally? My bad. It’s really the Van Wyck. I’ve corrected the post.

]]> By: herenthere http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-45396 herenthere Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:40:57 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-45396 Could you provide more info on the once-potential hispeed JFK rail/lanes on the BQE? Could you provide more info on the once-potential hispeed JFK rail/lanes on the BQE?

]]> By: Judge http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/08/18/goethals-bridge-replacement-to-save-space-for-transit/#comment-45370 Judge Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:35:52 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1194#comment-45370 Whoops! Wrong bridge. Still, what are they planning for mass transit on this new span? I still don't see any place for separate transit lanes. Whoops! Wrong bridge. Still, what are they planning for mass transit on this new span? I still don’t see any place for separate transit lanes.

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