Comments on: Cleaning the system would cost $100 million http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/ A New York City Subway Blog Fri, 25 May 2012 08:53:29 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Meredith http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-182282 Meredith Tue, 22 Feb 2011 02:47:07 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-182282 I know I'm a bit late here, but I wanted to mention a couple of things. First of all, as a lifelong DC resident who has also lived in Tokyo briefly, I can say that Tokyo's subways are far, far cleaner than DC's! But also, I have been to NYC quite extensively (used to date someone there), and I have never had any reason to complain about the subways there. Spic-and-span subways are not the most important thing for a city to focus on. Safety is far more important than cleanliness, in my book. I don't mind if somebody discards their trash on the train. I'd actually rather have eating be allowed on the train even if every single person who eats discards their trash. (DC does not allow food/drink on metro, and they WILL ticket you.) The only waste that I don't want to see on a subway is bodily waste. Other than that, I'm fine with it. Having such a prissy system like we do in DC - the subway cars are carpeted, for pete's sake - isn't ideal to me. I know I’m a bit late here, but I wanted to mention a couple of things. First of all, as a lifelong DC resident who has also lived in Tokyo briefly, I can say that Tokyo’s subways are far, far cleaner than DC’s!

But also, I have been to NYC quite extensively (used to date someone there), and I have never had any reason to complain about the subways there. Spic-and-span subways are not the most important thing for a city to focus on. Safety is far more important than cleanliness, in my book. I don’t mind if somebody discards their trash on the train. I’d actually rather have eating be allowed on the train even if every single person who eats discards their trash. (DC does not allow food/drink on metro, and they WILL ticket you.)

The only waste that I don’t want to see on a subway is bodily waste. Other than that, I’m fine with it. Having such a prissy system like we do in DC – the subway cars are carpeted, for pete’s sake – isn’t ideal to me.

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » NYCT head Roberts aiming for cleaner stations http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-53294 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » NYCT head Roberts aiming for cleaner stations Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:02:29 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-53294 [...] its findings about the cleanliness of the subway system, and the paper reported that it would take a $100 million investment to ensure a clean subway system. On the surface, it seems like a daunting figure, but New York City [...] [...] its findings about the cleanliness of the subway system, and the paper reported that it would take a $100 million investment to ensure a clean subway system. On the surface, it seems like a daunting figure, but New York City [...]

]]> By: Todd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-52167 Todd Thu, 02 Oct 2008 16:43:04 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-52167 People are slobs. Plus, if you see someone littering, you're not allowed to say anything because you'll get cursed out and told that "You've got a lot of nerve" (that's a real quote from a guy I called out for leaving his paper on the ground). I'm all for stepped up enforcement. Start jailing people for littering and watch how clean the subway will be. People are slobs. Plus, if you see someone littering, you’re not allowed to say anything because you’ll get cursed out and told that “You’ve got a lot of nerve” (that’s a real quote from a guy I called out for leaving his paper on the ground).

I’m all for stepped up enforcement. Start jailing people for littering and watch how clean the subway will be.

]]> By: Adam http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-52047 Adam Thu, 02 Oct 2008 02:13:18 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-52047 I moved to NYC four years ago and I still see the SAME trash as I did back then. The batteries on the tracks at Bryant Park (B/D/F/V) comes to mind. And that's one of the cleaner stations. Honestly, ONE person could at least moderately clean a single station over a couple of days. I'm not saying spotless by any means. Just get the big stuff. Do that over and over, and you'd make a measurable impact in a year or two. I don't understand why everything has to be a megamillion dollar project. Hell, enlist volunteers like they do with the highways. I moved to NYC four years ago and I still see the SAME trash as I did back then. The batteries on the tracks at Bryant Park (B/D/F/V) comes to mind. And that’s one of the cleaner stations.

Honestly, ONE person could at least moderately clean a single station over a couple of days. I’m not saying spotless by any means. Just get the big stuff. Do that over and over, and you’d make a measurable impact in a year or two. I don’t understand why everything has to be a megamillion dollar project.

Hell, enlist volunteers like they do with the highways.

]]> By: Jay Dub http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-51939 Jay Dub Wed, 01 Oct 2008 14:05:49 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-51939 Enforcement?...get real. Their aren't enough cops to cover NYCT's ridership. Plus, the slobs look over each shoulder before dropping their chicken bones on subway platforms. DC's subways are clean because the citizenry respects the system. Civilized people do not need cops looking over their shoulder. NYorkers are animals...John Rocker may have been correct. Enforcement?…get real. Their aren’t enough cops to cover NYCT’s ridership. Plus, the slobs look over each shoulder before dropping their chicken bones on subway platforms. DC’s subways are clean because the citizenry respects the system. Civilized people do not need cops looking over their shoulder. NYorkers are animals…John Rocker may have been correct.

]]> By: Alex Engel http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-51882 Alex Engel Wed, 01 Oct 2008 03:52:56 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-51882 How is Madrid's system dirty? Literally all the trains are power-washed every night. Rome, on the other hand... It could be worse - SEPTA comes to mind. How is Madrid’s system dirty? Literally all the trains are power-washed every night.

Rome, on the other hand…

It could be worse – SEPTA comes to mind.

]]> By: herenthere http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-51852 herenthere Tue, 30 Sep 2008 22:49:55 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-51852 Why not place a hefty fine for the people who throw trash out? Oh, right, we don't have enough transit cops to do that. Plus, they don't exactly care. Why not place a hefty fine for the people who throw trash out? Oh, right, we don’t have enough transit cops to do that. Plus, they don’t exactly care.

]]> By: Dolomite http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-51813 Dolomite Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:48:01 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-51813 Maybe if New Yorkers didn't complain about spending an extra five cents on everything while continuing to shell out tons of $$$ for ridiculously overpriced goods, the subway system would actually be maintained and run properly. Maybe if New Yorkers didn’t complain about spending an extra five cents on everything while continuing to shell out tons of $$$ for ridiculously overpriced goods, the subway system would actually be maintained and run properly.

]]> By: josh http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-51810 josh Tue, 30 Sep 2008 15:04:24 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-51810 I have lived along the "L" train for the past 5 years, and I have definitely noticed the stations i use are mostly clear of litter and stickers, etc. as of late. the cleaning blitz sure has made a difference. But aside from the absence of litter, the stations are still filthy. Not just the leaky walls, but the station platform is caked with the aforementioned garbage juice and who knows what else. I watched a crew power wash my station one sunday morning, and i notice that the some areas are sometimes bleached to death, but there must be something that can be done to actually clean the stations better. I have lived along the “L” train for the past 5 years, and I have definitely noticed the stations i use are mostly clear of litter and stickers, etc. as of late. the cleaning blitz sure has made a difference. But aside from the absence of litter, the stations are still filthy. Not just the leaky walls, but the station platform is caked with the aforementioned garbage juice and who knows what else. I watched a crew power wash my station one sunday morning, and i notice that the some areas are sometimes bleached to death, but there must be something that can be done to actually clean the stations better.

]]> By: jeremy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/09/30/cleaning-the-system-would-cost-100-million/#comment-51807 jeremy Tue, 30 Sep 2008 14:49:50 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1434#comment-51807 Quick comment: The Madrid subway system is definitely cleaner than New York's. Madrid is constantly expanding and investing in their system. It is the second-largest subway system in Europe and is almost as clean and reliable as the systems in Munich or Berlin. Easily, Madrid surpasses both Rome and New York in cleanliness, reliability, and function. Quick comment: The Madrid subway system is definitely cleaner than New York’s. Madrid is constantly expanding and investing in their system. It is the second-largest subway system in Europe and is almost as clean and reliable as the systems in Munich or Berlin.

Easily, Madrid surpasses both Rome and New York in cleanliness, reliability, and function.

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