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	<title>Comments on: Shocking delays, cost increases rock South Brooklyn project</title>
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		<title>By: paulb</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/10/24/shocking-delays-cost-increases-rock-south-brooklyn-project/#comment-56836</link>
		<dc:creator>paulb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 14:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article doesn&#039;t say whether the increases are due to higher industry costs, the cost of borrowing money, or hitherto undiagnosed structural problems in the viaduct. It&#039;s not very informative.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article doesn&#8217;t say whether the increases are due to higher industry costs, the cost of borrowing money, or hitherto undiagnosed structural problems in the viaduct. It&#8217;s not very informative.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/10/24/shocking-delays-cost-increases-rock-south-brooklyn-project/#comment-56830</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I was talking more generally about what bonds are used for, by private corporations and others. Sort of the textbook example. 

I guess an argument can also be made that taxes are the result of public project activity, so we really do &quot;owe&quot; the government because it empowers us to make money. But in the MTA&#039;s case, the borrowing is so far removed from reality as to be basically harmful to the whole enterprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I was talking more generally about what bonds are used for, by private corporations and others. Sort of the textbook example. </p>
<p>I guess an argument can also be made that taxes are the result of public project activity, so we really do &#8220;owe&#8221; the government because it empowers us to make money. But in the MTA&#8217;s case, the borrowing is so far removed from reality as to be basically harmful to the whole enterprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred Beech</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/10/24/shocking-delays-cost-increases-rock-south-brooklyn-project/#comment-56828</link>
		<dc:creator>Alfred Beech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 19:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A quarter of a billion? At some point I think it&#039;s going to seem like throwing good money after bad. 

How much would it cost to run at grade from Carroll to 4th and 9th, and put in a lift bridge over the Gowanus Canal? The whole point of that viaduct was to allow tall ships to pass under the subway, and that hardly seems like a concern these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A quarter of a billion? At some point I think it&#8217;s going to seem like throwing good money after bad. </p>
<p>How much would it cost to run at grade from Carroll to 4th and 9th, and put in a lift bridge over the Gowanus Canal? The whole point of that viaduct was to allow tall ships to pass under the subway, and that hardly seems like a concern these days.</p>
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		<title>By: eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 17:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloomberg loves the fame that comes with being the mayor!!!  He doesn&#039;t really care about helping the city or he wouldn&#039;t have bypassed the will of the voters who voted to have term limits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloomberg loves the fame that comes with being the mayor!!!  He doesn&#8217;t really care about helping the city or he wouldn&#8217;t have bypassed the will of the voters who voted to have term limits.</p>
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		<title>By: herenthere</title>
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		<dc:creator>herenthere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 16:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought you  (or some news article) said that construction costs were decreasing because of the worsening economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought you  (or some news article) said that construction costs were decreasing because of the worsening economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Bonds are sold with the purpose of getting lots of money now to develop something that will be profitable enough to pay off the interest on the loans later.&lt;/em&gt;

That was true in the good old days, but not any more. You&#039;re probably thinking of the Robert Moses era. He would sell bonds to build a bridge, then raise enough from tolls to service the debt and fund the next bridge. All of the MTA bridges and tunnels were paid for this way.

But nowadays, politicians issue debt for another reason: it&#039;s easier than raising taxes. That&#039;s because tax bills hit immediately, but debt payments stretch out for years into the future. So politicians can take credit for improvements, but the bill is left for future generations. It&#039;s the same reason why the U. S. national debt keeps going up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Bonds are sold with the purpose of getting lots of money now to develop something that will be profitable enough to pay off the interest on the loans later.</em></p>
<p>That was true in the good old days, but not any more. You&#8217;re probably thinking of the Robert Moses era. He would sell bonds to build a bridge, then raise enough from tolls to service the debt and fund the next bridge. All of the MTA bridges and tunnels were paid for this way.</p>
<p>But nowadays, politicians issue debt for another reason: it&#8217;s easier than raising taxes. That&#8217;s because tax bills hit immediately, but debt payments stretch out for years into the future. So politicians can take credit for improvements, but the bill is left for future generations. It&#8217;s the same reason why the U. S. national debt keeps going up.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 15:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Instead of trying to run for a third term as mayor, maybe Bloomberg should campaign to run the MTA since he thinks he is so good at reorganizing and making bureaucracy more efficient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Instead of trying to run for a third term as mayor, maybe Bloomberg should campaign to run the MTA since he thinks he is so good at reorganizing and making bureaucracy more efficient.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 14:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This last time the MTA sold bonds, I wondered, what is the purpose of that? Bonds are sold with the purpose of getting lots of money now to develop something that will be profitable enough to pay off the interest on the loans later. The MTA is not and will never be profitable. Why not get money from the government? Everybody knows that we either pay a little now or a lot later (to cover the interest). 

Why not pay now? And if the government refuses to fund the MTA, it could at least give it a loan. Why not give the MTA a federal loan the same way banks get them? MTA&#039;s collateral is falling apart, but still pretty solid, and is a guaranteed money-generator by virtue of being a monopoly. I&#039;d argue that the MTA generates as much business (directly and related) as any bank which can get several billion dollars in loans from the Fed. OK, the Culver Viaduct project will never &quot;make money&quot;, in the traditional sense, but at least the taxpayers will be repaying the federal government, and not private investors.

This is what the Iraq War and the bailout has done to my thinking- quarter of a billion dollars? What a joke. The federal government can, and should, loan or simply give us this money, like it is doing with foreign countries and big business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This last time the MTA sold bonds, I wondered, what is the purpose of that? Bonds are sold with the purpose of getting lots of money now to develop something that will be profitable enough to pay off the interest on the loans later. The MTA is not and will never be profitable. Why not get money from the government? Everybody knows that we either pay a little now or a lot later (to cover the interest). </p>
<p>Why not pay now? And if the government refuses to fund the MTA, it could at least give it a loan. Why not give the MTA a federal loan the same way banks get them? MTA&#8217;s collateral is falling apart, but still pretty solid, and is a guaranteed money-generator by virtue of being a monopoly. I&#8217;d argue that the MTA generates as much business (directly and related) as any bank which can get several billion dollars in loans from the Fed. OK, the Culver Viaduct project will never &#8220;make money&#8221;, in the traditional sense, but at least the taxpayers will be repaying the federal government, and not private investors.</p>
<p>This is what the Iraq War and the bailout has done to my thinking- quarter of a billion dollars? What a joke. The federal government can, and should, loan or simply give us this money, like it is doing with foreign countries and big business.</p>
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		<title>By: Yonah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yonah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Oct 2008 11:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out a discussion of the necessity of funding existing transit networks as the first priority of the next administration at &lt;a href=&quot;http://thetransportpolitic.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/priority-number-1/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the transport politic&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out a discussion of the necessity of funding existing transit networks as the first priority of the next administration at <a href="http://thetransportpolitic.wordpress.com/2008/10/24/priority-number-1/" rel="nofollow">the transport politic</a>.</p>
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