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	<title>Comments on: ABC Report: MTA workers not really working</title>
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		<title>By: MTAIG Reports: Emergency response teams, track worker efficiency :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>MTAIG Reports: Emergency response teams, track worker efficiency :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] dedicated emergency response team. In November 2008, ABC News tracked a bunch of MTA workers who weren&#8217;t really working. In both instances, Barry Kluger, the MTA Inspector General, decided to investigate these [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] dedicated emergency response team. In November 2008, ABC News tracked a bunch of MTA workers who weren&#8217;t really working. In both instances, Barry Kluger, the MTA Inspector General, decided to investigate these [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Obama knows best &#124; Daily Danet</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/14/abc-report-mta-workers-not-really-working/#comment-62928</link>
		<dc:creator>Obama knows best &#124; Daily Danet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 14:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] those doctors a lesson.)  Instead, we should trust healthcare decisions to hard working federal bureaucrats and honest politicians like John &#8220;Gimme Gimme&#8221; Murtha, Ted &#8220;Chappaquiddick&#8221; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] those doctors a lesson.)  Instead, we should trust healthcare decisions to hard working federal bureaucrats and honest politicians like John &#8220;Gimme Gimme&#8221; Murtha, Ted &#8220;Chappaquiddick&#8221; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Doe</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/14/abc-report-mta-workers-not-really-working/#comment-58058</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Doe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:49:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of this matters.  The MTA is still going to raise rates, and the workers are protected by the unions. So in the end you pay up and shut up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of this matters.  The MTA is still going to raise rates, and the workers are protected by the unions. So in the end you pay up and shut up!</p>
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		<title>By: Thoughts on the Tracks &#171; abzME.com</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/14/abc-report-mta-workers-not-really-working/#comment-57361</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts on the Tracks &#171; abzME.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] we NYer&#8217;s take for granted.  That it&#8217;ll just work.  And for the most part it does.  Even if employees sleep on the job.  Even if the smell is awful.  Even if it drips in weird places water tainted with rust.  Bill [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] we NYer&#8217;s take for granted.  That it&#8217;ll just work.  And for the most part it does.  Even if employees sleep on the job.  Even if the smell is awful.  Even if it drips in weird places water tainted with rust.  Bill [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Secret Conductor</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/14/abc-report-mta-workers-not-really-working/#comment-57295</link>
		<dc:creator>The Secret Conductor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, what a dicussion we are having here.

Let us not forget why unions came into being: because employers tended to abuse their employees.

The bigest reason why so many people feel safe with their jobs even though they are not in unions is because they THINK they can sue and win, but the reality is that many states fall under &quot;at will&quot; employment. The first thing a lawyer will ask you is if you are in a union and so will the unemployment office if your case goes into arbitration for unemployment.

If you do not have a contract to work with your employer then for the most part you work &quot;at will&quot; and your employer can let you go for &quot;any reason&quot;. They don&#039;t because he cost of being sued is high but they will most likely win most cases.

ANYWAY
With all of that said they are many employees who take advantage of their union status and just do not work and even feel ENTITLED to not working. I have met some of them and boy they can get really mad when they have to work when someone of a &quot;lower rank&quot; should be sent out first of &quot;found&quot; to do the job.

I am not sure what they plan on doing about this especially considering that management not only allows this but does it themselves. There are reasons for people not being able to work whether its a Firefighter, Police or Transit Track Worker, due to what ever they need to do that can&#039;t be done and still get paid for 8 hours of work, but sleeping on the job in a public space is a no-no.

I am not surprised that Transit wants to cut the token booth clerks probably because of what you see pictured above. Token booth cllerks should have train maps, street maps, bus maps, people who can read them and people who are willing to help those who are lost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, what a dicussion we are having here.</p>
<p>Let us not forget why unions came into being: because employers tended to abuse their employees.</p>
<p>The bigest reason why so many people feel safe with their jobs even though they are not in unions is because they THINK they can sue and win, but the reality is that many states fall under &#8220;at will&#8221; employment. The first thing a lawyer will ask you is if you are in a union and so will the unemployment office if your case goes into arbitration for unemployment.</p>
<p>If you do not have a contract to work with your employer then for the most part you work &#8220;at will&#8221; and your employer can let you go for &#8220;any reason&#8221;. They don&#8217;t because he cost of being sued is high but they will most likely win most cases.</p>
<p>ANYWAY<br />
With all of that said they are many employees who take advantage of their union status and just do not work and even feel ENTITLED to not working. I have met some of them and boy they can get really mad when they have to work when someone of a &#8220;lower rank&#8221; should be sent out first of &#8220;found&#8221; to do the job.</p>
<p>I am not sure what they plan on doing about this especially considering that management not only allows this but does it themselves. There are reasons for people not being able to work whether its a Firefighter, Police or Transit Track Worker, due to what ever they need to do that can&#8217;t be done and still get paid for 8 hours of work, but sleeping on the job in a public space is a no-no.</p>
<p>I am not surprised that Transit wants to cut the token booth clerks probably because of what you see pictured above. Token booth cllerks should have train maps, street maps, bus maps, people who can read them and people who are willing to help those who are lost.</p>
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		<title>By: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#187; With pink slips rumored, TWU takes the offensive</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/14/abc-report-mta-workers-not-really-working/#comment-57180</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#187; With pink slips rumored, TWU takes the offensive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Personally, I&#8217;m not quite sure what the MTA stands to gain with the current red-vest station assistance program. While these workers lend subway stations a modicum of safety, the vast majority of reports have these employees refusing to offer assistance when asked, and of course, a good many of them seem to sleep on on the job. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Personally, I&#8217;m not quite sure what the MTA stands to gain with the current red-vest station assistance program. While these workers lend subway stations a modicum of safety, the vast majority of reports have these employees refusing to offer assistance when asked, and of course, a good many of them seem to sleep on on the job. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: harold Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>harold Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 14:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While there may be possibly some element of truth in this, I am quite skeptical because of the enormous pressures  break the union. I have had 2 friends that were briefly union organizers and neither they nor I could believe the relentless character assassination and harassment they were subject. Management hires experts (including public relation experts who plant stories in blogs like this) to do this and they stop at nothing. 

Folks, we need to expand unionization not to break it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there may be possibly some element of truth in this, I am quite skeptical because of the enormous pressures  break the union. I have had 2 friends that were briefly union organizers and neither they nor I could believe the relentless character assassination and harassment they were subject. Management hires experts (including public relation experts who plant stories in blogs like this) to do this and they stop at nothing. </p>
<p>Folks, we need to expand unionization not to break it.</p>
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		<title>By: jk</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/14/abc-report-mta-workers-not-really-working/#comment-57173</link>
		<dc:creator>jk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Plenty of snoozers in mamagement too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Plenty of snoozers in mamagement too.</p>
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		<title>By: Duke87</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duke87</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 03:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fact of life: all union blue-collar workers are lazy.

I had to deal with it all last summer when people working for the highway department of the city of Stamford (CT) would do things like take two hour lunches, quit work at 1:30 in the afternoon, go hang out in the parking lot in front of CVS and goof off at about 10 in the morning, say they had done work which they hadn&#039;t... basically, whenever me or someone else working for the engineering bureau wasn&#039;t directly keeping an eye on them, not much would get done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fact of life: all union blue-collar workers are lazy.</p>
<p>I had to deal with it all last summer when people working for the highway department of the city of Stamford (CT) would do things like take two hour lunches, quit work at 1:30 in the afternoon, go hang out in the parking lot in front of CVS and goof off at about 10 in the morning, say they had done work which they hadn&#8217;t&#8230; basically, whenever me or someone else working for the engineering bureau wasn&#8217;t directly keeping an eye on them, not much would get done.</p>
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		<title>By: herenthere</title>
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		<dc:creator>herenthere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 02:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the high efficiency is b/c of the unions. I think it may be b/c of better work ethics and accountability instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the high efficiency is b/c of the unions. I think it may be b/c of better work ethics and accountability instead.</p>
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