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	<title>Comments on: With pink slips rumored, TWU takes the offensive</title>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:23:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well  the 2005 Union strike was not so much about money,as it was about protecting benefits,pensions and both active and retiree healthcare,the union has very powerful button on the left that says nuclear and stike written under it,no matter anyone says about 2005 strike and people &quot;walking&quot;,I was in NYC at that time,and the city was in a sense shut down,it just basically stopped for 3 days,many people just didnp;t show up for work,nothing moved,what was mormally a 40 minute commute turned into a 4 hour commute..If you have that kind of power to shut down one of the largest cities in the world,certainly the most important in the world financially to protect what you have,you can&#039;t be afraid to use it when threatened,the MTA quickly then dropped any mention of any type of benefit reductions in it&#039;s contract talks and hasn&#039;t since ever said a word about them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well  the 2005 Union strike was not so much about money,as it was about protecting benefits,pensions and both active and retiree healthcare,the union has very powerful button on the left that says nuclear and stike written under it,no matter anyone says about 2005 strike and people &#8220;walking&#8221;,I was in NYC at that time,and the city was in a sense shut down,it just basically stopped for 3 days,many people just didnp;t show up for work,nothing moved,what was mormally a 40 minute commute turned into a 4 hour commute..If you have that kind of power to shut down one of the largest cities in the world,certainly the most important in the world financially to protect what you have,you can&#8217;t be afraid to use it when threatened,the MTA quickly then dropped any mention of any type of benefit reductions in it&#8217;s contract talks and hasn&#8217;t since ever said a word about them.</p>
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		<title>By: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#187; Daily News: The MTA&#8217;s Doomsday scenario</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/17/with-pink-slips-rumored-twu-takes-the-offensive/#comment-57210</link>
		<dc:creator>Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; &#187; Daily News: The MTA&#8217;s Doomsday scenario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the MTA&#8217;s &#8220;Doomsday plans.&#8221; The paper has run stories on the MTA&#8217;s potentially axing station agents and raising the base fare to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to the MTA&#8217;s &#8220;Doomsday plans.&#8221; The paper has run stories on the MTA&#8217;s potentially axing station agents and raising the base fare to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/17/with-pink-slips-rumored-twu-takes-the-offensive/#comment-57195</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 02:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the public sector, which is weird in general. You should compare unionized to non-unionized jobs within the same sector. Usually, unionized workers get paid more and get some more benefits, but it&#039;s rarely that egregious. (However, one of the Broadway theater unions - I believe it&#039;s the stagehands - somehow has gotten its members average salaries deep into the six figures.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the public sector, which is weird in general. You should compare unionized to non-unionized jobs within the same sector. Usually, unionized workers get paid more and get some more benefits, but it&#8217;s rarely that egregious. (However, one of the Broadway theater unions &#8211; I believe it&#8217;s the stagehands &#8211; somehow has gotten its members average salaries deep into the six figures.)</p>
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		<title>By: Don_Draper Quits Twitter, Comes Clean - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/17/with-pink-slips-rumored-twu-takes-the-offensive/#comment-57191</link>
		<dc:creator>Don_Draper Quits Twitter, Comes Clean - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Authority may save money is to eliminate 600 token booth workers, but they&#8217;ll do so with the possibility of another strike by the Transit Workers Union. [2nd Ave [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 14:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I really wish someone explained to the American unions that the reason every non-union worker in America hates them is that they demand large pay raises in recession times.&lt;/i&gt;

And &quot;20 and out&quot; retirement with full pension, and total job security even for workers who literally sleep the day away.  YES.  A couple of people in the last discussion about the snoozing workers really need to figure this out.

I&#039;m completely pro-union and pro-labor, as long as the unions are willing to live and negotiate in the real world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I really wish someone explained to the American unions that the reason every non-union worker in America hates them is that they demand large pay raises in recession times.</i></p>
<p>And &#8220;20 and out&#8221; retirement with full pension, and total job security even for workers who literally sleep the day away.  YES.  A couple of people in the last discussion about the snoozing workers really need to figure this out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m completely pro-union and pro-labor, as long as the unions are willing to live and negotiate in the real world.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/17/with-pink-slips-rumored-twu-takes-the-offensive/#comment-57188</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really wish someone explained to the American unions that the reason every non-union worker in America hates them is that they demand large pay raises in recession times.

It&#039;s especially frustrating because in countries with stronger unions, this doesn&#039;t happen. In the 1990s and early 00s, when Germany had weak growth, the unions held off on the strikes, waiting until Germany recovered from reunification to start demanding raises. Half of Germany&#039;s economic prowess comes from having good union-business relationships, unlike the US and Britain (where business destroyed the private sector unions), and France and Italy (where people are either on strike or on vacation).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really wish someone explained to the American unions that the reason every non-union worker in America hates them is that they demand large pay raises in recession times.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s especially frustrating because in countries with stronger unions, this doesn&#8217;t happen. In the 1990s and early 00s, when Germany had weak growth, the unions held off on the strikes, waiting until Germany recovered from reunification to start demanding raises. Half of Germany&#8217;s economic prowess comes from having good union-business relationships, unlike the US and Britain (where business destroyed the private sector unions), and France and Italy (where people are either on strike or on vacation).</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/17/with-pink-slips-rumored-twu-takes-the-offensive/#comment-57187</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The whole point of unions is collective bargaining. If there are two unions, they&#039;ll just compete in a race to the bottom, and the workers are as badly off as if they didn&#039;t have any union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole point of unions is collective bargaining. If there are two unions, they&#8217;ll just compete in a race to the bottom, and the workers are as badly off as if they didn&#8217;t have any union.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott E</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/17/with-pink-slips-rumored-twu-takes-the-offensive/#comment-57186</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 13:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Ray has some good points there, specifically about the unions.  (As a compromise, can the clerks sell Tic-Tacs instead of tokens?)

However, this plan of shuttering token booths won&#039;t fly.  For every full-time booth that&#039;s closed, you need to (1) replace the regular turnstiles with HEETS, which will likely take years and cost more than the clerk salaries, or (2) shutter the entrance, possibly creating a dangerous situation in an emergency evacuation.  Some part-time booth entrances already have HEETs, so that might be an easier conversion.

We&#039;ll see what happens as a result of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/investigators&amp;id=6506742&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ABC News and subsequent Inspector General&#039;s report&lt;/a&gt; on the situation (the link goes to Part 2 of the story).  Maybe it&#039;ll be just a scolding of the MTA, or maybe something dramatic will change.  Wait and see....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Ray has some good points there, specifically about the unions.  (As a compromise, can the clerks sell Tic-Tacs instead of tokens?)</p>
<p>However, this plan of shuttering token booths won&#8217;t fly.  For every full-time booth that&#8217;s closed, you need to (1) replace the regular turnstiles with HEETS, which will likely take years and cost more than the clerk salaries, or (2) shutter the entrance, possibly creating a dangerous situation in an emergency evacuation.  Some part-time booth entrances already have HEETs, so that might be an easier conversion.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see what happens as a result of the <a href="http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/investigators&amp;id=6506742" rel="nofollow">ABC News and subsequent Inspector General&#8217;s report</a> on the situation (the link goes to Part 2 of the story).  Maybe it&#8217;ll be just a scolding of the MTA, or maybe something dramatic will change.  Wait and see&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Eric</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/17/with-pink-slips-rumored-twu-takes-the-offensive/#comment-57185</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article in yesterdays NY Post about the MTA and cutting jobs.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/11162008...oat_138950.htm

Increased ridership shouldn&#039;t equal increased marketing, advertising, clerical, and less front line employees that are actually involved with the railroad on a day to day basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article in yesterdays NY Post about the MTA and cutting jobs.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nypost.com/seven/11162008...oat_138950.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nypost.com/seven/11.....138950.htm</a></p>
<p>Increased ridership shouldn&#8217;t equal increased marketing, advertising, clerical, and less front line employees that are actually involved with the railroad on a day to day basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 12:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few responses:  Time to break up these single union monopolies.  What can we do to provide the TWU with competition?  They need to be keep them in the realm of reality.  The MTA has every right to discontinue a program that isn&#039;t meeting expectations.  600 token booth clerks... in the age of the Metrocard, really?  And I thought those wandering around in vests were maintenance crew.  Finally, let&#039;s remove those token booths and put in place retail stands - the entrepreneur who wants to sell the Daily News and tic-tacs will be much more friendly and helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few responses:  Time to break up these single union monopolies.  What can we do to provide the TWU with competition?  They need to be keep them in the realm of reality.  The MTA has every right to discontinue a program that isn&#8217;t meeting expectations.  600 token booth clerks&#8230; in the age of the Metrocard, really?  And I thought those wandering around in vests were maintenance crew.  Finally, let&#8217;s remove those token booths and put in place retail stands &#8211; the entrepreneur who wants to sell the Daily News and tic-tacs will be much more friendly and helpful.</p>
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