Comments on: The fare side of the Doomsday scenario http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/ A New York City Subway Blog Fri, 25 May 2012 12:39:57 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Peter http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57470 Peter Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:30:47 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57470 Reality is, the MTA subway fare is the best deal the city has to offer. For 2 bucks crossing the entire city. Comparing with other world cities its a real bargain, for a high priced city like NY, where people spend $$$ to drive and park in Manhattan. I wish people would say: Improve the service and raise the fare to 2.50. Stop complaining, folks. Reality is, the MTA subway fare is the best deal the city has to offer.
For 2 bucks crossing the entire city. Comparing with other world cities its a real bargain, for a high priced city like NY, where people spend $$$ to drive and park in Manhattan. I wish people would say: Improve the service and raise the fare to 2.50. Stop complaining, folks.

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » A plan, but no one to trumpet it http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57443 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » A plan, but no one to trumpet it Mon, 01 Dec 2008 05:07:08 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57443 [...] albeit modestly, without cutting service. Considering all of the talk surrounding the MTA’s Doomsday proposal, Ravitch’s all-encompassing plan seems like a beacon of [...] [...] albeit modestly, without cutting service. Considering all of the talk surrounding the MTA’s Doomsday proposal, Ravitch’s all-encompassing plan seems like a beacon of [...]

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57302 Alon Levy Thu, 20 Nov 2008 17:02:49 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57302 Maybe. Or maybe not - politicians like it when economists tell them that now's the time to splurge. Maybe. Or maybe not – politicians like it when economists tell them that now’s the time to splurge.

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57298 Marc Shepherd Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:57:50 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57298 Maybe, but there aren't enough Keynsians in Washington to support a handout for NYCT. Maybe, but there aren’t enough Keynsians in Washington to support a handout for NYCT.

]]> By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » The $30 billion elephant in the room http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57292 Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » The $30 billion elephant in the room Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:13:08 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57292 [...] MTA has a problem. And no, I’m not talking about the duel threats of steep fare hikes and rampant service cuts. Instead, I’m talking about the capital campaign. The cash-strapped [...] [...] MTA has a problem. And no, I’m not talking about the duel threats of steep fare hikes and rampant service cuts. Instead, I’m talking about the capital campaign. The cash-strapped [...]

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57282 Alon Levy Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:40:55 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57282 Why would they do it? Obama isn't anti-union. He and Biden are pro-train, though. Why would they do it? Obama isn’t anti-union. He and Biden are pro-train, though.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57281 Alon Levy Wed, 19 Nov 2008 19:38:27 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57281 Because a recession is the worst time to raise fares and cut service. Now that the people are poorer than they were two years ago, they're asked to pay more for less? Standard Keynesian economics dictates deficit spending for stimulation during a recession, in order to inflate the economy, and surpluses during expansion, in order to deflate it. Because a recession is the worst time to raise fares and cut service. Now that the people are poorer than they were two years ago, they’re asked to pay more for less?

Standard Keynesian economics dictates deficit spending for stimulation during a recession, in order to inflate the economy, and surpluses during expansion, in order to deflate it.

]]> By: Todd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57280 Todd Wed, 19 Nov 2008 18:40:08 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57280 I'm convinced that the government is trying to scare the UAW by letting it seem like the government will let the automakers fail. They will force the unions to make saving concessions if their only other option is complete liquidation of the company including the loss of all benefits and severance packages. I know the pro-union guys on here won't like that idea, but it might be better then losing everything. I’m convinced that the government is trying to scare the UAW by letting it seem like the government will let the automakers fail. They will force the unions to make saving concessions if their only other option is complete liquidation of the company including the loss of all benefits and severance packages. I know the pro-union guys on here won’t like that idea, but it might be better then losing everything.

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57279 Marc Shepherd Wed, 19 Nov 2008 17:48:03 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57279 That's true to an extent, but service cuts <em>do</em> happen sometimes. It probably won't be as bad as the gloom-and-doom scenario we're reading about now, but I'd be surprised not to see at least <em>some</em> service reductions. That’s true to an extent, but service cuts do happen sometimes. It probably won’t be as bad as the gloom-and-doom scenario we’re reading about now, but I’d be surprised not to see at least some service reductions.

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/19/the-fare-side-of-the-doomsday-scenario/#comment-57278 Marc Shepherd Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:16:22 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=1656#comment-57278 At the moment, GM's bailout plea is falling on deaf ears. But the argument they're making is that a GM bankruptcy would put 3 million people out of work, due to the interlocking dependency of dealers, parts manufacturers, and so forth. Whether that's true is debatable, but that's the argument. In comparison to that, the MTA's crisis is local. And because the MTA is owned by the public, the politicians who run it have options GM doesn't have: raising fares, taxes, or both. If the State of New York is unwilling to make the tough decisions to keep its transit system running, why should the Federal government pitch in? At the moment, GM’s bailout plea is falling on deaf ears. But the argument they’re making is that a GM bankruptcy would put 3 million people out of work, due to the interlocking dependency of dealers, parts manufacturers, and so forth. Whether that’s true is debatable, but that’s the argument.

In comparison to that, the MTA’s crisis is local. And because the MTA is owned by the public, the politicians who run it have options GM doesn’t have: raising fares, taxes, or both. If the State of New York is unwilling to make the tough decisions to keep its transit system running, why should the Federal government pitch in?

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