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		<title>By: Opponents already combatting the Ravitch recommendations :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-60228</link>
		<dc:creator>Opponents already combatting the Ravitch recommendations :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 21:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as frequent commenter Julia pointed out last week, raising fees wouldn&#8217;t serve the environmental goal of reducing traffic and raising reliance [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as frequent commenter Julia pointed out last week, raising fees wouldn&#8217;t serve the environmental goal of reducing traffic and raising reliance [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-57394</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, this still works. Singapore keeps car ownership low using a three-pronged strategy: unaffordable car taxes, European-style gas taxes, and some congestion pricing.

New York can actually outdo Singapore here, by having rail transit and walkable streets as two additional prongs. It unfortunately is not in the position to imitate Hong Kong (or Portland) and have a strong urban growth boundary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, this still works. Singapore keeps car ownership low using a three-pronged strategy: unaffordable car taxes, European-style gas taxes, and some congestion pricing.</p>
<p>New York can actually outdo Singapore here, by having rail transit and walkable streets as two additional prongs. It unfortunately is not in the position to imitate Hong Kong (or Portland) and have a strong urban growth boundary.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-57393</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:48:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because it&#039;ll depress property values away from transit and stop growth there. Right now Orange County is among the fastest growing parts of the region; give it a few more years and the sprawl will start encroaching on our water supply in the Catskills.

Every polluter has a reason to pollute. Truck drivers think that they need free access to publicly funded roads. Big business thinks that it needs to dump toxic waste in low-income communities in order to make a profit. Automakers think that they can&#039;t profitably make 50 mpg cars. In every instance where a country or state regulated away this right to pollute, the polluters survived, and stayed in business.

Joe Schmo from Orange County is in the same category. His large-tract prefab single-story is an energy guzzler; it takes far more energy to heat or cool than a Manhattan condo with the same area. He drives long distances to work, dumping CO2 into the atmosphere. And his income depends on local commuters who drive to Manhattan and create asthma problems in Harlem that they never have to pay for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because it&#8217;ll depress property values away from transit and stop growth there. Right now Orange County is among the fastest growing parts of the region; give it a few more years and the sprawl will start encroaching on our water supply in the Catskills.</p>
<p>Every polluter has a reason to pollute. Truck drivers think that they need free access to publicly funded roads. Big business thinks that it needs to dump toxic waste in low-income communities in order to make a profit. Automakers think that they can&#8217;t profitably make 50 mpg cars. In every instance where a country or state regulated away this right to pollute, the polluters survived, and stayed in business.</p>
<p>Joe Schmo from Orange County is in the same category. His large-tract prefab single-story is an energy guzzler; it takes far more energy to heat or cool than a Manhattan condo with the same area. He drives long distances to work, dumping CO2 into the atmosphere. And his income depends on local commuters who drive to Manhattan and create asthma problems in Harlem that they never have to pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-57392</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree.  This is Econ 101 stuff; it&#039;s just nonsensical pandering for Thompson to seriously propose this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree.  This is Econ 101 stuff; it&#8217;s just nonsensical pandering for Thompson to seriously propose this.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-57390</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any possibility that all the green-tech, public works, Keynsian spending that Pres.-elect Obama put forward yesterday will find it&#039;s way to the MTA? 

I hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any possibility that all the green-tech, public works, Keynsian spending that Pres.-elect Obama put forward yesterday will find it&#8217;s way to the MTA? </p>
<p>I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-57389</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree completely. This is a far worse idea than congestion pricing. It penalizes the middle class far more than anyone thought congestion pricing would, and it&#039;s quite simply a regressive tax that places an unfair burden on lower-income individuals.

It&#039;s very simple: this increase in fees would penalize people who have no access to public transportation and no use for it. The purpose for charging a fee to enter Manhattan is that it is rife with transit options, and the funds would go to improve those options. Charging Joe Schmo for his pickup that he uses for work up in Orange County is completely unfair. He never goes to Manhattan and is miles away from public transit. It&#039;s just simply not an option for him.

The purpose of congestion pricing was to get people out of their cars and onto public transit. Why would it be fair to charge this fee to people who are miles away from even a bus stop?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree completely. This is a far worse idea than congestion pricing. It penalizes the middle class far more than anyone thought congestion pricing would, and it&#8217;s quite simply a regressive tax that places an unfair burden on lower-income individuals.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very simple: this increase in fees would penalize people who have no access to public transportation and no use for it. The purpose for charging a fee to enter Manhattan is that it is rife with transit options, and the funds would go to improve those options. Charging Joe Schmo for his pickup that he uses for work up in Orange County is completely unfair. He never goes to Manhattan and is miles away from public transit. It&#8217;s just simply not an option for him.</p>
<p>The purpose of congestion pricing was to get people out of their cars and onto public transit. Why would it be fair to charge this fee to people who are miles away from even a bus stop?</p>
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		<title>By: Julia</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-57388</link>
		<dc:creator>Julia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Thompson lost me when he said hiking registration fees would cut down on traffic.

Charging more for registration might cut the rate of car ownership somewhat, for people who own a car or are thinking about buying one but could get by without one.  But once you&#039;ve paid the fee, there&#039;s no incentive to drive less, much less an incentive to drive less in higher-traffic areas.

The way to cut down on driving is to charge people for &lt;i&gt;driving&lt;/i&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Thompson lost me when he said hiking registration fees would cut down on traffic.</p>
<p>Charging more for registration might cut the rate of car ownership somewhat, for people who own a car or are thinking about buying one but could get by without one.  But once you&#8217;ve paid the fee, there&#8217;s no incentive to drive less, much less an incentive to drive less in higher-traffic areas.</p>
<p>The way to cut down on driving is to charge people for <i>driving</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-57381</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I supported congestion pricing, but this sounds like a much better idea.  Congestion pricing does put an unfair burden on outerborough residents, which is the only setback it had, but this idea distributes the burden evenly throughout the entire New York Metropolitan area.

Not mentioned above is that cars registered in New York can park in residential areas.  Cars registered out of state can only park on commercial streets, or else risk a fine.  This will prevent people from registering out of state in order to avoid the higher registration fee, and will make it easier for the actual residents of this state to find parking in their own area.

If the Richard Ravitch really emphasizes this idea when he releases his report, it can get passed.  He can use the fare hike and service cut threats like a gun to our elected officials heads and force them approve this idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I supported congestion pricing, but this sounds like a much better idea.  Congestion pricing does put an unfair burden on outerborough residents, which is the only setback it had, but this idea distributes the burden evenly throughout the entire New York Metropolitan area.</p>
<p>Not mentioned above is that cars registered in New York can park in residential areas.  Cars registered out of state can only park on commercial streets, or else risk a fine.  This will prevent people from registering out of state in order to avoid the higher registration fee, and will make it easier for the actual residents of this state to find parking in their own area.</p>
<p>If the Richard Ravitch really emphasizes this idea when he releases his report, it can get passed.  He can use the fare hike and service cut threats like a gun to our elected officials heads and force them approve this idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-57379</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d rather they just hiked the fares without cutting service, which would make it easy to present various alternatives on a continuous numerical scale: ordinarily the base fare would need to be hiked to $3.00, but with bridge tolls it could go down to $2.75, with various service reductions it could go down to $2.50, with a commuter tax it could go to $2.25, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d rather they just hiked the fares without cutting service, which would make it easy to present various alternatives on a continuous numerical scale: ordinarily the base fare would need to be hiked to $3.00, but with bridge tolls it could go down to $2.75, with various service reductions it could go down to $2.50, with a commuter tax it could go to $2.25, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott E</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/11/24/proposing-politically-infeasible-ways-of-funding-the-mta/#comment-57378</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That would be the equivalent of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/23/news/companies/taco_bell/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;February 2007 Greenwich-Village-Taco-Bell-Incident&lt;/a&gt; all over again, times 468.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would be the equivalent of the <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/23/news/companies/taco_bell/" rel="nofollow">February 2007 Greenwich-Village-Taco-Bell-Incident</a> all over again, times 468.</p>
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