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	<title>Comments on: Drilling down on the driver license fee plan</title>
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		<title>By: The DMV fees hike in perspective :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/09/drilling-down-on-the-driver-license-fee-plan/#comment-64298</link>
		<dc:creator>The DMV fees hike in perspective :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 18:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when Comptroller William Thompson issued his call for increased fees, I examined his proposal with skeptical eye. He wanted to bump driver licensing fees up from $50 every eight years to $50 every year. For a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when Comptroller William Thompson issued his call for increased fees, I examined his proposal with skeptical eye. He wanted to bump driver licensing fees up from $50 every eight years to $50 every year. For a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/09/drilling-down-on-the-driver-license-fee-plan/#comment-57665</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s for both higher registration fees and an annual licensing fee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s for both higher registration fees and an annual licensing fee.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/09/drilling-down-on-the-driver-license-fee-plan/#comment-57664</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 22:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had read that the proposal was for increased DMV fees on vehicle registrations, not licenses, with heavier vehicles to pay the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had read that the proposal was for increased DMV fees on vehicle registrations, not licenses, with heavier vehicles to pay the most.</p>
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		<title>By: rhywun</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/09/drilling-down-on-the-driver-license-fee-plan/#comment-57644</link>
		<dc:creator>rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 00:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;have you never considered renting a car once in a while, maybe on vacation in a place where they don’t have transit?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. I&#039;ve been to remote places with friends who drive. But otherwise it&#039;s never been an issue. My idea of a vacation is Paris (don&#039;t need a car) or China (not allowed to drive).

&lt;blockquote&gt;Or a U-Haul when you have to move?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I just pay someone else to do it. Much less stressful that way--which is pretty much my guide to life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>have you never considered renting a car once in a while, maybe on vacation in a place where they don’t have transit?</p></blockquote>
<p>No. I&#8217;ve been to remote places with friends who drive. But otherwise it&#8217;s never been an issue. My idea of a vacation is Paris (don&#8217;t need a car) or China (not allowed to drive).</p>
<blockquote><p>Or a U-Haul when you have to move?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I just pay someone else to do it. Much less stressful that way&#8211;which is pretty much my guide to life.</p>
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		<title>By: Angus Grieve-Smith</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/09/drilling-down-on-the-driver-license-fee-plan/#comment-57640</link>
		<dc:creator>Angus Grieve-Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 21:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alon, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nysdmv.com/broch/c-33.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;non-driver IDs&lt;/a&gt; are currently $9-14, depending on the duration of their validity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alon, <a href="http://www.nysdmv.com/broch/c-33.htm" rel="nofollow">non-driver IDs</a> are currently $9-14, depending on the duration of their validity.</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/09/drilling-down-on-the-driver-license-fee-plan/#comment-57639</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Is it even constitutional to charge for an ID?&lt;/em&gt;

As far as I know, every state in the union does so. And have you seen what the Federal Gov&#039;t charges for a passport?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Is it even constitutional to charge for an ID?</em></p>
<p>As far as I know, every state in the union does so. And have you seen what the Federal Gov&#8217;t charges for a passport?</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/09/drilling-down-on-the-driver-license-fee-plan/#comment-57636</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 19:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it even constitutional to charge for an ID?

Off-topic: the NYS DMV link you give shows there are 1.9 million cars in New York City. If it had the same car ownership rate as the rest of the US, it&#039;d have 6.4 million. In other words, the subway is taking off 4.5 million cars off the road. No wonder people in Detroit hate the idea of doing anything to help New York and its flagship industry...</description>
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<p>Off-topic: the NYS DMV link you give shows there are 1.9 million cars in New York City. If it had the same car ownership rate as the rest of the US, it&#8217;d have 6.4 million. In other words, the subway is taking off 4.5 million cars off the road. No wonder people in Detroit hate the idea of doing anything to help New York and its flagship industry&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: R2</title>
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		<dc:creator>R2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 18:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s call the license fee plan for what it is: a crock of s**t!

Occasional drivers will be forced to use other forms of ID (maybe a passport) or switch to state-issued ID w/o driving privileges.  And Angus is totally on the mark.  This would provide a perverse incentive to drive more.

As for resolving the issue w/ New Yorkers using out of state plates and registrations to save on insurance, one carrot to provide is residential permit parking. The stick: gotta have NY plates and be registered in the city w/ an address corresponding to that particular neighborhood.  The state would get some more money from legit registrations and insurance might even get cheaper for everyone else.

Ravitch has a good plan overall (and it&#039;s obvious no one in the press or those politicos have read it completely to the end). I have little faith in our spineless pols.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s call the license fee plan for what it is: a crock of s**t!</p>
<p>Occasional drivers will be forced to use other forms of ID (maybe a passport) or switch to state-issued ID w/o driving privileges.  And Angus is totally on the mark.  This would provide a perverse incentive to drive more.</p>
<p>As for resolving the issue w/ New Yorkers using out of state plates and registrations to save on insurance, one carrot to provide is residential permit parking. The stick: gotta have NY plates and be registered in the city w/ an address corresponding to that particular neighborhood.  The state would get some more money from legit registrations and insurance might even get cheaper for everyone else.</p>
<p>Ravitch has a good plan overall (and it&#8217;s obvious no one in the press or those politicos have read it completely to the end). I have little faith in our spineless pols.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t have a personal stake in the argument, because I don’t drive, but I agree that a usage fee is fairer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good grief man! i don&#039;t drive either but have you never considered renting a car once in a while, maybe on vacation in a place where they don&#039;t have transit? Or a U-Haul when you have to move? Whereas for most drivers in the State, this plan charges pennies every time they drive, I would pay something awfully close to $50 every time and so would you if you ever needed to also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t have a personal stake in the argument, because I don’t drive, but I agree that a usage fee is fairer.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good grief man! i don&#8217;t drive either but have you never considered renting a car once in a while, maybe on vacation in a place where they don&#8217;t have transit? Or a U-Haul when you have to move? Whereas for most drivers in the State, this plan charges pennies every time they drive, I would pay something awfully close to $50 every time and so would you if you ever needed to also.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam G</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/09/drilling-down-on-the-driver-license-fee-plan/#comment-57628</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 17:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good grief, this plan is asinine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good grief, this plan is asinine.</p>
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