Comments on: Requiem for a Z http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/ A New York City Subway Blog Sun, 21 Mar 2010 05:18:33 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: Congestion pricing foes stage G train funeral :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58789 Congestion pricing foes stage G train funeral :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog Tue, 17 Feb 2009 06:16:09 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58789 [...] time we have eulogized a train line facing its final few weeks of existence. In mid-January, we remembered the Z while we blamed this financial crisis in part on the grandstanding politicians who showed up for [...] [...] time we have eulogized a train line facing its final few weeks of existence. In mid-January, we remembered the Z while we blamed this financial crisis in part on the grandstanding politicians who showed up for [...]

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58344 Alon Levy Sat, 17 Jan 2009 19:27:32 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58344 Cutting the Z would simplify service, and might make it feasible to run trains on slightly longer headways, say 7 minutes instead of 5. Right now the J/Z runs at 5-minute headways, but most stations get 10-minute service, which is very inefficient. Cutting the Z would simplify service, and might make it feasible to run trains on slightly longer headways, say 7 minutes instead of 5. Right now the J/Z runs at 5-minute headways, but most stations get 10-minute service, which is very inefficient.

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58337 Benjamin Kabak Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:08:13 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58337 Oh right. That makes sense. I forgot it runs on limited hours. Oh right. That makes sense. I forgot it runs on limited hours.

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58336 Benjamin Kabak Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:04:41 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58336 I don't think that's what the MTA papers and reports have said. They're eliminating service, not increasing it. I don’t think that’s what the MTA papers and reports have said. They’re eliminating service, not increasing it.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58335 Alon Levy Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:03:55 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58335 No, there are only 12, or maybe 14. There is skip-stop for just over two hours, one in the morning and one in the afternoon, during which time the J and Z run every ten minutes each. No, there are only 12, or maybe 14. There is skip-stop for just over two hours, one in the morning and one in the afternoon, during which time the J and Z run every ten minutes each.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58334 Alon Levy Sat, 17 Jan 2009 03:02:51 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58334 According to the Straphangers' Campaign, at its most crowded, the J/Z has seats for 53% of the passengers, i.e. 80 people per car, or 640 per train. I don't think the MTA is intending to just eliminate the trains that would be Z's, reducing the Jamaica Line to ten-minute service. That would increase crowding to Lexington levels. More likely, it is intending to give all stations 5-minute service, which would actually reduce average commute time by 2.5 minutes for people living near the local stations. According to the Straphangers’ Campaign, at its most crowded, the J/Z has seats for 53% of the passengers, i.e. 80 people per car, or 640 per train.

I don’t think the MTA is intending to just eliminate the trains that would be Z’s, reducing the Jamaica Line to ten-minute service. That would increase crowding to Lexington levels. More likely, it is intending to give all stations 5-minute service, which would actually reduce average commute time by 2.5 minutes for people living near the local stations.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58333 Alon Levy Sat, 17 Jan 2009 02:52:35 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58333 I don't mind the difference between 50 and 60 minutes; I mind that they're making a five-minute increase in commute time seem like a huge deal. I don’t mind the difference between 50 and 60 minutes; I mind that they’re making a five-minute increase in commute time seem like a huge deal.

]]> By: Mr. Eric http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58332 Mr. Eric Sat, 17 Jan 2009 01:49:18 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58332 Most Z trains don't even do a round trip as a Z. Most Z trains don’t even do a round trip as a Z.

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58331 Benjamin Kabak Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:37:14 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58331 I think there are more than 12 or 24 Z trains a day though, no? I think there are more than 12 or 24 Z trains a day though, no?

]]> By: Cap'n Transit http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/16/requiem-for-a-z/#comment-58330 Cap'n Transit Sat, 17 Jan 2009 00:33:47 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2045#comment-58330 Thanks for that clarification, Alon. If we assume 1,000 people per train, that means 12,000 riders a day for the Z. It will inconvenience more than just those 12,000, though, because the 12,000 will be crowding onto the J and M trains. So that's at least half as many people as the car commuters. Thanks for that clarification, Alon. If we assume 1,000 people per train, that means 12,000 riders a day for the Z. It will inconvenience more than just those 12,000, though, because the 12,000 will be crowding onto the J and M trains. So that’s at least half as many people as the car commuters.

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