Comments on: The purpose of the station booth closures http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/ A New York City Subway Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:51:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Straphangers poll finds support for station agents :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-61835 Straphangers poll finds support for station agents :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog Thu, 18 Jun 2009 05:18:35 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-61835 [...] question has risen to the forefront in the Great Station Agent Debate of 2009. (More here, here and here.) The Straphangers Campaign has released results of a poll asking its members the [...] [...] question has risen to the forefront in the Great Station Agent Debate of 2009. (More here, here and here.) The Straphangers Campaign has released results of a poll asking its members the [...]

]]> By: rhywun http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-58394 rhywun Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:41:23 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-58394 I guess I've only seen actual turnstile jumpers a few times--always teens--but that was in full view of the clerks. With nobody watching I predict that number to be greatly higher. Clerks may or may not have a great deterrent effect on serious crimes like rape or murder (if you're deranged enough to commit those crimes, you're probably too deranged to be deterred by someone watching) but I'll be they have a far greater effect on minor crimes like fare beating or graffiti. I guess I’ve only seen actual turnstile jumpers a few times–always teens–but that was in full view of the clerks. With nobody watching I predict that number to be greatly higher. Clerks may or may not have a great deterrent effect on serious crimes like rape or murder (if you’re deranged enough to commit those crimes, you’re probably too deranged to be deterred by someone watching) but I’ll be they have a far greater effect on minor crimes like fare beating or graffiti.

]]> By: Kai http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-58391 Kai Wed, 21 Jan 2009 20:12:35 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-58391 Oh. that's probably what I keep seeing then, hahah. Oh. that’s probably what I keep seeing then, hahah.

]]> By: Time for Some Brighton Beach Memoirs - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-58390 Time for Some Brighton Beach Memoirs - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com Wed, 21 Jan 2009 18:00:15 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-58390 [...] in May. [NewYorkology] Everything you ever wanted to know (and more) about the M.T.A.’s “Proposed Station Changes.” [2nd Ave. [...] [...] in May. [NewYorkology] Everything you ever wanted to know (and more) about the M.T.A.’s “Proposed Station Changes.” [2nd Ave. [...]

]]> By: Marc Shepherd http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-58389 Marc Shepherd Wed, 21 Jan 2009 17:49:45 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-58389 If the child is below a certain age, they are allowed to ride free. If the child is below a certain age, they are allowed to ride free.

]]> By: Kai http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-58387 Kai Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:25:40 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-58387 I would actually raise the question whether some previously HEETified exits could be re-equipped with low exits. Some are just ridiculous, such as the one I encounter every morning at southbound Spring Street (C,E). I don't see too much fare evasion these days, except the occasional child crawling under a low turnstile, often by encouragement of a parent and a booth agent turning a blind eye. I would actually raise the question whether some previously HEETified exits could be re-equipped with low exits. Some are just ridiculous, such as the one I encounter every morning at southbound Spring Street (C,E).

I don’t see too much fare evasion these days, except the occasional child crawling under a low turnstile, often by encouragement of a parent and a booth agent turning a blind eye.

]]> By: rhywun http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-58386 rhywun Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:08:41 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-58386 So the impact is even less than we thought, because we all know that fare evasion will skyrocket. Further proof that this is a shock tactic, nothing more. And... where's the TWU? They've been strangely silent through all this. So the impact is even less than we thought, because we all know that fare evasion will skyrocket. Further proof that this is a shock tactic, nothing more. And… where’s the TWU? They’ve been strangely silent through all this.

]]> By: Kai http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-58385 Kai Wed, 21 Jan 2009 15:05:34 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-58385 The Subway cut document states the following: "Eliminating this function results in staffing reductions of 570 SCAs and 26 Station Supervisors. These control areas will be left unattended with low turnstiles. Precedence for this arrangement includes the PATH system, which operates with unattended low turnstiles, and the SCA areas that are currently left without staffing during SCA lunch breaks." (Sorry if this eventually shows up three times. I think my previous attempts didn't go through because I included a hyperlink in the comment) The Subway cut document states the following:

“Eliminating this function results in staffing reductions of 570 SCAs and 26 Station Supervisors. These control areas will be left unattended with low turnstiles. Precedence for this arrangement includes the PATH system, which operates with unattended low turnstiles, and the SCA areas that are currently left without staffing during SCA lunch breaks.”

(Sorry if this eventually shows up three times. I think my previous attempts didn’t go through because I included a hyperlink in the comment)

]]> By: Kai http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-58383 Kai Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:49:07 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-58383 Here we go: "Eliminating this function results in staffing reductions of 570 SCAs and 26 Station Supervisors. These control areas will be left unattended with low turnstiles. Precedence for this arrangement includes the PATH system, which operates with unattended low turnstiles, and the SCA areas that are currently left without staffing during SCA lunch breaks." http://mta.info/mta/09/section1v2.pdf Page 2 Here we go:

“Eliminating this function results in staffing reductions of
570 SCAs and 26 Station Supervisors. These control
areas will be left unattended with low turnstiles.
Precedence for this arrangement includes the PATH
system, which operates with unattended low turnstiles,
and the SCA areas that are currently left without staffing
during SCA lunch breaks.”

http://mta.info/mta/09/section1v2.pdf
Page 2

]]> By: Kai http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/21/the-purpose-of-the-station-booth-closures/#comment-58382 Kai Wed, 21 Jan 2009 14:45:37 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2077#comment-58382 No, this is not true. I can't find the document this morning, but one of the "cut" documents clearly states that there will not be changes to the existing turnstiles. It even mentions the risk of higher fare evasion as a result. No, this is not true. I can’t find the document this morning, but one of the “cut” documents clearly states that there will not be changes to the existing turnstiles. It even mentions the risk of higher fare evasion as a result.

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