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	<title>Comments on: In Rockland County, having a cake and eating it too</title>
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		<title>By: Scott E</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/26/in-rockland-county-having-a-cake-and-eating-it-too/#comment-58492</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh brings up a good point: Rockland&#039;s transit options are terrible (although he didn&#039;t mention buses).  Out of curiosity, what is the county&#039;s stance on putting rail on the Tappan Zee replacement?  That may be the biggest opportunity for transit improvement, but since the bridge is not an MTA property, not a penny of these new taxes/fares/etc. will go towards that project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh brings up a good point: Rockland&#8217;s transit options are terrible (although he didn&#8217;t mention buses).  Out of curiosity, what is the county&#8217;s stance on putting rail on the Tappan Zee replacement?  That may be the biggest opportunity for transit improvement, but since the bridge is not an MTA property, not a penny of these new taxes/fares/etc. will go towards that project.</p>
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		<title>By: kynes</title>
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		<dc:creator>kynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big issue when I lived out in Arizona...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big issue when I lived out in Arizona&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kynes</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/01/26/in-rockland-county-having-a-cake-and-eating-it-too/#comment-58489</link>
		<dc:creator>kynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of agree with them. Why should we foot the bill for their mismanagement and pathetic planning? The MTA should be receiving way more federal funding then it is, The big issue there was what to do with all of our new federal Homeland security money, How about not giving that money to podunk cities out in the desert and fund something useful like the MTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of agree with them. Why should we foot the bill for their mismanagement and pathetic planning? The MTA should be receiving way more federal funding then it is, The big issue there was what to do with all of our new federal Homeland security money, How about not giving that money to podunk cities out in the desert and fund something useful like the MTA.</p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 05:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And this is precisely why good journalism keeps democracy alive.  A good newspaper would be saying politicians need to come up with a way for funding or accept service or fare hikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this is precisely why good journalism keeps democracy alive.  A good newspaper would be saying politicians need to come up with a way for funding or accept service or fare hikes.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Karpoff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Karpoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logic and reality have never set foot in Rockland County up until, so why do you expect a sudden outbreak of common sense for this?

Rockland has some of the worst transit options of any of the NYC suburban counties. Rockland commuters can take a West of Hudson Metro-North train, or the have to drive into Jersey or across the Tappan-Zee or Bear Moutain Bridges to get a Hudson Line M-N train at Peekskill or Tarrytown. I think there&#039;s also a dinky little ferry from Haverstraw over to Ossining&#039;s station, but it&#039;s hours of operation are terrible and it doesn&#039;t hold many people (passengers only, no cars).

Thus, Rockland politicians are stuck in this traditional quandrary where they need to pander heavily to automotive commuters by always opposing Tappan-Zee birdge toll hikes AND scrambling to hold on to what little mass transit services they do have. The car commuters and Rockland centric employers don&#039;t want to pay for services that they don&#039;t think benefit them (a fallacy, true, but still that&#039;s their line of thinking) and the few mass transit commuters are pretty damn vocal.

Politicians aren&#039;t paid to actually fix problems, they&#039;re paid to keep people happy. Thus, they&#039;ll say whatever it takes to keep people happy, and usually do nothing, because doing something is going to back someone angry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logic and reality have never set foot in Rockland County up until, so why do you expect a sudden outbreak of common sense for this?</p>
<p>Rockland has some of the worst transit options of any of the NYC suburban counties. Rockland commuters can take a West of Hudson Metro-North train, or the have to drive into Jersey or across the Tappan-Zee or Bear Moutain Bridges to get a Hudson Line M-N train at Peekskill or Tarrytown. I think there&#8217;s also a dinky little ferry from Haverstraw over to Ossining&#8217;s station, but it&#8217;s hours of operation are terrible and it doesn&#8217;t hold many people (passengers only, no cars).</p>
<p>Thus, Rockland politicians are stuck in this traditional quandrary where they need to pander heavily to automotive commuters by always opposing Tappan-Zee birdge toll hikes AND scrambling to hold on to what little mass transit services they do have. The car commuters and Rockland centric employers don&#8217;t want to pay for services that they don&#8217;t think benefit them (a fallacy, true, but still that&#8217;s their line of thinking) and the few mass transit commuters are pretty damn vocal.</p>
<p>Politicians aren&#8217;t paid to actually fix problems, they&#8217;re paid to keep people happy. Thus, they&#8217;ll say whatever it takes to keep people happy, and usually do nothing, because doing something is going to back someone angry.</p>
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		<title>By: Kid Twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kid Twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not about logic and reality. This is about going on the record with a faux-populist position so that when election time comes around, these pols can claim they fought the good fight, even if it is silly and futile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not about logic and reality. This is about going on the record with a faux-populist position so that when election time comes around, these pols can claim they fought the good fight, even if it is silly and futile.</p>
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