Comments on: Fulton St. Hub rescued by stimulus billions

By: For Fulton St., a deadline and budget but no dome :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog

Thu, 21 May 2009 04:01:39 +0000

[...] at $1.4 billion or twice its original projected cost. And the hub’s dome — subject to much will it or won’t it debate — will be, well, something [...]

By: Despite reports, MTA mum on stimulus plans :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog

Wed, 04 Feb 2009 07:18:16 +0000

[...] plans. Backed by statements by MTA CEO and Executive Director Elliot Sander, we explored the revival of the Fulton St. dome. Spurred on by idle speculation, on Monday, we contemplated the fate of the 7 line [...]

By: Stimulus Bill Likely to Rescue two New York City Mega-Projects « the transport politic

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:33:20 +0000

[...] Avenue Sagas reports that the stimulus bill, currently under consideration by the Senate, will rescue the long-planned Fulton Street Transit Hub and may provide the funds to add the canceled, but still [...]

By: Alon Levy

Alon Levy — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 15:12:53 +0000

For the same reason the US runs deficits even though its annual tax collections are in the $2 trillion area: revenues may be high, but expenditures are even higher.

By: lenny may

lenny may — Mon, 02 Feb 2009 08:11:55 +0000

the MTA collected 300 million alone from the veranzzano bridge last year. so how are they within a fiscal crisis?

By: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog » Blog Archive » » Will the stimulus save 7 extension stop?

Mon, 02 Feb 2009 05:47:58 +0000

[...] the weekend, we learned that the national stimulus plan would finally deliver a transit hub for Fulton Street. In fact, the stimulus may save another faulty MTA Capital Construction program from a giant [...]

By: Alon Levy

Alon Levy — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:19:52 +0000

Let’s look at the GCT-Penn connection, one of the most underrated transit expansions in the area. It requires two tracks all the way from Penn Station to GCT; sharing tracks with the tunnels to Penn’s east will unacceptably reduce capacity. Let’s say that the new tunnels use 34th Street, and then run to GCT under Madison. This requires about 1.5 km of new tunnel. In Manhattan, new subway costs are about $1 billion per km; this is higher in the middle of Midtown, so a more realistic cost is $2 billion. I think this $2 billion is worth spending, but let’s not pretend it could be financed from canceling the Fulton dome.

By: Adam

Adam — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 08:18:48 +0000

Half a billion….for a DOME? Meanwhile, you could spend it on, say, a station at 41st and 10th that would make the 7 line extension actually not a boondoggle (or similarly an extension to Chelsea Piers)? Or, say a third track on the SAS? There are lots of needs around the city for new subway lines (I could go into a list of how I would expand basically every existing line and add some new ones), plus there’s ESA for the LIRR (which alone is costing more than it should; it should just connect to the existing Grand Central Station (there’s like 152 tracks there already)), and some projects I though up, such as: a connection between the two main railroad stations, plus electrifying the Danbury Branch on Metro-North, electrifying the Oyster Bay branch on the LIRR, electrifying the Montauk Branch to the Islips, electrifying the rest of the Port Jefferson Branch, and a few new rail lines here and there. And then we have to ATO the entire subway system so we can get headways down, and put handicap ramps and elevators in stations that don’t have them. I’m not saying this should all be done immediately (there’s a better chance of us figuring out how to break light speed), but I’d think these would all be priorities over a friggin’ DOME.

By: Older and Wiser

Older and Wiser — Sun, 01 Feb 2009 06:31:27 +0000

No, this is horrible news. Half a billion more for what is, was, and always will be nothing more than a subway station. The MTA needs to scrap its entire capital plan, and start doing projects one at a time. You get funding for the next project only after you have shown that you can successfully complete the first one. And that first one should be the one started 70 years ago, the SAS.

By: Kris Datta

Kris Datta — Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:15:05 +0000

What I think they should do is spend the money on the Fulton St. hub as they would if it was still a few weeks ago and they were downsizing the hub. That means no oculus, and maybe even no glass building atop the center. That money could go to the SAS and ESA for more long-term benefit. I understand some of this stimulus money is also being used to fund the 10th Ave. station on the 7 line extension.