Comments on: Presenting — and distorting — toll opponents http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/03/24/presenting-%e2%80%94-and-distorting-%e2%80%94-toll-opponents/ A New York City Subway Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 20:24:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Troy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/03/24/presenting-%e2%80%94-and-distorting-%e2%80%94-toll-opponents/#comment-59661 Troy Fri, 27 Mar 2009 02:30:08 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2528#comment-59661 Are you saying people who drive to Manhattan don't use AT LEAST $2 in gas to drive there, to park? And that a portion of that gas price is not a gas tax that goes to NY and the Federal Government? And that the drivers didn't pay for their vehicles nor sales tax for their vehicles? They don't pay car insurance, as well as maintenance, registration and inspection fees? Is that what you're saying? Are you saying people who drive to Manhattan don’t use AT LEAST $2 in gas to drive there, to park? And that a portion of that gas price is not a gas tax that goes to NY and the Federal Government?
And that the drivers didn’t pay for their vehicles nor sales tax for their vehicles? They don’t pay car insurance, as well as maintenance, registration and inspection fees? Is that what you’re saying?

]]> By: Lawrence Velazquez http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/03/24/presenting-%e2%80%94-and-distorting-%e2%80%94-toll-opponents/#comment-59547 Lawrence Velazquez Tue, 24 Mar 2009 23:04:18 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2528#comment-59547 This is one of the most perplexing arguments against bridge tolls. It makes zero sense, and I don't see how anyone can really believe it. This idea that poor folk are being forced to take the Manhattan Bridge while well-to-doers are packing themselves onto the B train is absolutely absurd. This is one of the most perplexing arguments against bridge tolls. It makes zero sense, and I don’t see how anyone can really believe it. This idea that poor folk are being forced to take the Manhattan Bridge while well-to-doers are packing themselves onto the B train is absolutely absurd.

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/03/24/presenting-%e2%80%94-and-distorting-%e2%80%94-toll-opponents/#comment-59541 Benjamin Kabak Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:00:37 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2528#comment-59541 I don't think it's sinister per se, but I think it's a bit misleading from The Times' editors. I don’t think it’s sinister per se, but I think it’s a bit misleading from The Times’ editors.

]]> By: Robert http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/03/24/presenting-%e2%80%94-and-distorting-%e2%80%94-toll-opponents/#comment-59540 Robert Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:11:08 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2528#comment-59540 This quote is my favorite: <blockquote>“It shuts everyone out who can’t afford to get into the city or through the city,” said Ms. Groenveldt, a bookkeeper who works in Manhattan.</blockquote> Anyone who can afford to own a car and uses it to drive into the city can afford to pay $2 to get in, just like the rest of us have to. Are they seriously saying that people who can afford to own cars can't afford a $2 toll, but everyone who takes the subway can afford a 23% fare hike? This quote is my favorite:

“It shuts everyone out who can’t afford to get into the city or through the city,” said Ms. Groenveldt, a bookkeeper who works in Manhattan.

Anyone who can afford to own a car and uses it to drive into the city can afford to pay $2 to get in, just like the rest of us have to. Are they seriously saying that people who can afford to own cars can’t afford a $2 toll, but everyone who takes the subway can afford a 23% fare hike?

]]> By: Duke87 http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/03/24/presenting-%e2%80%94-and-distorting-%e2%80%94-toll-opponents/#comment-59533 Duke87 Tue, 24 Mar 2009 17:01:47 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2528#comment-59533 *sigh* That's the Times for you... *sigh* That’s the Times for you…

]]> By: Rhywun http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/03/24/presenting-%e2%80%94-and-distorting-%e2%80%94-toll-opponents/#comment-59527 Rhywun Tue, 24 Mar 2009 16:08:11 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=2528#comment-59527 All the article is doing is pointing out, politely, that voters are stupid. I'm not getting this sinister motive from it that everyone else seems to be getting. All the article is doing is pointing out, politely, that voters are stupid. I’m not getting this sinister motive from it that everyone else seems to be getting.

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