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	<title>Comments on: MTA can&#8217;t really end overnight service</title>
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		<title>By: Eric the BeehiveHairdresser</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60559</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric the BeehiveHairdresser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 17:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what the schedule has on it, but 30 minutes has been the standard wait between R trains for years when they run on shuttle.  Based on that I beg to differ, two an hour is correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the schedule has on it, but 30 minutes has been the standard wait between R trains for years when they run on shuttle.  Based on that I beg to differ, two an hour is correct.</p>
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		<title>By: jake</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60534</link>
		<dc:creator>jake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:01:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two stations are.  Aqueduct Racetrack and Broad St on the J/Z.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two stations are.  Aqueduct Racetrack and Broad St on the J/Z.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60529</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/01/breaking-mta-announces-plan-to-shutter-subways-at-night/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This one&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/04/01/breaking-mta-announces-plan-to-shutter-subways-at-night/" rel="nofollow">This one</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60528</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT April Fools joke from 2008?
Could you please refresh my memory?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT April Fools joke from 2008?<br />
Could you please refresh my memory?</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60527</link>
		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is extremely different to do, because there are so many potential transfers. I mean, just look at a map and count up all of the ways that a rider can transfer. It is not mathematically solvable to schedule 1-2 trains an hour so that every transfer happens smoothly — even assuming that all of the trans run on time. Then add to that all of the reasons why trains could legitimately be delayed.

Commuter railways can do that because the number of potential transfer points is &lt;em&gt;much&lt;/em&gt; less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is extremely different to do, because there are so many potential transfers. I mean, just look at a map and count up all of the ways that a rider can transfer. It is not mathematically solvable to schedule 1-2 trains an hour so that every transfer happens smoothly — even assuming that all of the trans run on time. Then add to that all of the reasons why trains could legitimately be delayed.</p>
<p>Commuter railways can do that because the number of potential transfer points is <em>much</em> less.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Higashide</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60526</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Higashide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it sounds like the reporters were fishing on that one. From the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/04/29/2009-04-29_gov_david_paterson_has_secret_plan_to_avert_more_mta_fare_hikes.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Daily News&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Sander seemed to downplay repeated questions from reporters that the MTA might shut the subway system down overnight like Boston and other cities.

Still, he continued, &quot;one can&#039;t say that anything is off the table.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it sounds like the reporters were fishing on that one. From the <a href="http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2009/04/29/2009-04-29_gov_david_paterson_has_secret_plan_to_avert_more_mta_fare_hikes.html" rel="nofollow"><em>Daily News</em></a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Sander seemed to downplay repeated questions from reporters that the MTA might shut the subway system down overnight like Boston and other cities.</p>
<p>Still, he continued, &#8220;one can&#8217;t say that anything is off the table.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: R2</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60525</link>
		<dc:creator>R2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben,

I&#039;m recalling that April Fool&#039;s joke from 2008.

While I don&#039;t think this would happen, if even just the overnight hours were extended per Scott, this would certainly inconvenience (quite the understatement) late-shift workers AND the nightlife industry.  I&#039;d simply go out less and that would be the death knell for many a business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m recalling that April Fool&#8217;s joke from 2008.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t think this would happen, if even just the overnight hours were extended per Scott, this would certainly inconvenience (quite the understatement) late-shift workers AND the nightlife industry.  I&#8217;d simply go out less and that would be the death knell for many a business.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60524</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think &quot;Elliot Sander... is threatening to take it all away&quot; is really an accurate characterization of what was said.&lt;blockquote&gt;Asked if he would consider shutting down the subway late at night to save money, he said, &quot;One can’t say that anything is off the table.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;He&#039;s just acknowledging that desperate times call for desperate measures and he can&#039;t rule it out.  To me, this quote is as much about sending a message to Malcolm Smith about his view that bridge tolls are off the table as it is about cost-saving measures under consideration by the MTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think &#8220;Elliot Sander&#8230; is threatening to take it all away&#8221; is really an accurate characterization of what was said.<br />
<blockquote>Asked if he would consider shutting down the subway late at night to save money, he said, &#8220;One can’t say that anything is off the table.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>He&#8217;s just acknowledging that desperate times call for desperate measures and he can&#8217;t rule it out.  To me, this quote is as much about sending a message to Malcolm Smith about his view that bridge tolls are off the table as it is about cost-saving measures under consideration by the MTA.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60523</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nope.  All lines.  Do your homework.  It&#039;s right there on the MTA website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nope.  All lines.  Do your homework.  It&#8217;s right there on the MTA website.</p>
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		<title>By: Fairness</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/04/30/mta-cant-really-end-overnight-service/#comment-60522</link>
		<dc:creator>Fairness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:34:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trains are still very full at midnight during the week.  Alot of people don&#039;t work 9-5&#039;s anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trains are still very full at midnight during the week.  Alot of people don&#8217;t work 9-5&#8217;s anymore.</p>
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