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	<title>Comments on: Summer rollout set for system-wide line managers</title>
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		<title>By: random transit guy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/05/summer-rollout-set-for-system-wide-line-managers/#comment-60671</link>
		<dc:creator>random transit guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess the rolling stock idea is true. More or less each line has its own yard for its on trains.

But I would still have to agree with what other have said here and that is that some line are not truly by themselves especially in the B division and probably shouldn&#039;t have their own line manager. I am sure the B line can have the same manager as either the Q or the D. The Franlin ave shuttle can be controlled by the Q line manager as well.

I do think in the end, this will work better. The managers are on the ground working with front line employees directly or at the very least through one layer of management instead of multiple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the rolling stock idea is true. More or less each line has its own yard for its on trains.</p>
<p>But I would still have to agree with what other have said here and that is that some line are not truly by themselves especially in the B division and probably shouldn&#8217;t have their own line manager. I am sure the B line can have the same manager as either the Q or the D. The Franlin ave shuttle can be controlled by the Q line manager as well.</p>
<p>I do think in the end, this will work better. The managers are on the ground working with front line employees directly or at the very least through one layer of management instead of multiple.</p>
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		<title>By: Fairness</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/05/summer-rollout-set-for-system-wide-line-managers/#comment-60641</link>
		<dc:creator>Fairness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 00:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The program is going to be implemented now in the B division (lettered trains).  It was implemented in the A division (numbered trains) over a year ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The program is going to be implemented now in the B division (lettered trains).  It was implemented in the A division (numbered trains) over a year ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/05/summer-rollout-set-for-system-wide-line-managers/#comment-60636</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 21:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The program on the L line was just a trial.  The MTA didn&#039;t cut any upper level management because it wasn&#039;t sure yet whether it was going to go through with the idea.  Now that the program will be fully implemented it can start cutting staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The program on the L line was just a trial.  The MTA didn&#8217;t cut any upper level management because it wasn&#8217;t sure yet whether it was going to go through with the idea.  Now that the program will be fully implemented it can start cutting staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Fairness</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/05/summer-rollout-set-for-system-wide-line-managers/#comment-60635</link>
		<dc:creator>Fairness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 21:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s been over a year with this program in the A division and they still have all of the supeintendents that they had before.  Plus all of the new managers and assistant managers.

So how exactly is this saving money?  How is this eliminating upper management?

Seems to me like it is adding lots more management where there was already too much.  The TA has to many &quot;chiefs&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been over a year with this program in the A division and they still have all of the supeintendents that they had before.  Plus all of the new managers and assistant managers.</p>
<p>So how exactly is this saving money?  How is this eliminating upper management?</p>
<p>Seems to me like it is adding lots more management where there was already too much.  The TA has to many &#8220;chiefs&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/05/summer-rollout-set-for-system-wide-line-managers/#comment-60631</link>
		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, this is supposed to streamline the bureaucracy and eliminate a lot of the upper level management that doesn&#039;t do anything.  This is a restructuring of rather than an addition to the MTA hierarchy.

In the end, this will cut costs for the MTA, as well as increase accountability and efficiency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, this is supposed to streamline the bureaucracy and eliminate a lot of the upper level management that doesn&#8217;t do anything.  This is a restructuring of rather than an addition to the MTA hierarchy.</p>
<p>In the end, this will cut costs for the MTA, as well as increase accountability and efficiency.</p>
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		<title>By: Fairness</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/05/summer-rollout-set-for-system-wide-line-managers/#comment-60629</link>
		<dc:creator>Fairness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This program has already been implemented in the A division for over a year and on the L.  There is no &quot;shifting&quot; of job titles.  There is just more management on top of too much management.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This program has already been implemented in the A division for over a year and on the L.  There is no &#8220;shifting&#8221; of job titles.  There is just more management on top of too much management.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Karpoff</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/05/summer-rollout-set-for-system-wide-line-managers/#comment-60628</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Karpoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 19:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as the number of supervisors goes, you have to remember that the NYC Subway runs 24/7, 365 days a year. In a heirachial management system, such as the MTA, you need to have someone with some sort of authority on duty at all times.

In regards to Ben&#039;s point in his post about the multiple lines overlapping, you have to remember the full scope of what is involved in each line. Each line isn&#039;t just the stations, many of which are shared by other lines, but also the rolling stock, the seperate platforms and the tracks. If you look at the route maps, a lot of track is actually dedicated to just one line, even if it&#039;s in the same tunnel as another line&#039;s track, at the very least for significant portions of the line. i would suspect that the indvidual line managers have a fixed number of train sets which they oversee and are thus responsible for making sure are in a state of good repair and regular cleaniness.

If the MTA shifts the job titles around, as this program is phased in and established, the bean counters can then do their little efficiency studies and will eliminate superfluous positions. The key here is to actually create a system where there&#039;s some level of accountability for things. Remember, the subway is made up of three former companies that were in direct competition with each other and even after the merger, the various systems have been run largely without regard to each other.
I think the most efficient change would come about if the operations of Metro-North and LIRR were merged, if all the LI Bus operations were merged with the NYC bus operations and then if the subway were run as its own division. They need to eliminate redundency at the top and work their way down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as the number of supervisors goes, you have to remember that the NYC Subway runs 24/7, 365 days a year. In a heirachial management system, such as the MTA, you need to have someone with some sort of authority on duty at all times.</p>
<p>In regards to Ben&#8217;s point in his post about the multiple lines overlapping, you have to remember the full scope of what is involved in each line. Each line isn&#8217;t just the stations, many of which are shared by other lines, but also the rolling stock, the seperate platforms and the tracks. If you look at the route maps, a lot of track is actually dedicated to just one line, even if it&#8217;s in the same tunnel as another line&#8217;s track, at the very least for significant portions of the line. i would suspect that the indvidual line managers have a fixed number of train sets which they oversee and are thus responsible for making sure are in a state of good repair and regular cleaniness.</p>
<p>If the MTA shifts the job titles around, as this program is phased in and established, the bean counters can then do their little efficiency studies and will eliminate superfluous positions. The key here is to actually create a system where there&#8217;s some level of accountability for things. Remember, the subway is made up of three former companies that were in direct competition with each other and even after the merger, the various systems have been run largely without regard to each other.<br />
I think the most efficient change would come about if the operations of Metro-North and LIRR were merged, if all the LI Bus operations were merged with the NYC bus operations and then if the subway were run as its own division. They need to eliminate redundency at the top and work their way down.</p>
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		<title>By: Fairness</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/05/summer-rollout-set-for-system-wide-line-managers/#comment-60626</link>
		<dc:creator>Fairness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just looked up the salary of the general manager for the L line.  It wasn&#039;t updated to reflect his new job and it was ALREADY $150,000/ year.  That means it is more now after the promotion to line general manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just looked up the salary of the general manager for the L line.  It wasn&#8217;t updated to reflect his new job and it was ALREADY $150,000/ year.  That means it is more now after the promotion to line general manager.</p>
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		<title>By: Fairness</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/05/summer-rollout-set-for-system-wide-line-managers/#comment-60624</link>
		<dc:creator>Fairness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 17:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This program is a disgusting waste of money that the TA doesn&#039;t have.  They are adding 15 more line general managers, 15 more asst. line general managers and 3 section managers.  That&#039;s 33 more managers on top of the excessive amount of general superintendents, line superintendents, and deputy superintendents.

For an example the A line will now have 1 line general manager, 1 assistant general manager, 1 line superintendent, and 3 deputy superintendents.  That&#039;s 6 managers for 1 line, then add all of the supervision that are tripping over themselves and you have way too much management.

A deputy superintendent makes about $101,000/ a year so you can imagine what these new managers are being paid!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This program is a disgusting waste of money that the TA doesn&#8217;t have.  They are adding 15 more line general managers, 15 more asst. line general managers and 3 section managers.  That&#8217;s 33 more managers on top of the excessive amount of general superintendents, line superintendents, and deputy superintendents.</p>
<p>For an example the A line will now have 1 line general manager, 1 assistant general manager, 1 line superintendent, and 3 deputy superintendents.  That&#8217;s 6 managers for 1 line, then add all of the supervision that are tripping over themselves and you have way too much management.</p>
<p>A deputy superintendent makes about $101,000/ a year so you can imagine what these new managers are being paid!!!</p>
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