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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/15/fare-hike-protests-and-weekend-service-advisories/#comment-61022</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 05:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In San Francisco, they also smile and make eye contact. Here, the last time my girlfriend tried to do it to a stranger, he thought she was hitting on him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In San Francisco, they also smile and make eye contact. Here, the last time my girlfriend tried to do it to a stranger, he thought she was hitting on him.</p>
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		<title>By: Boris</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/15/fare-hike-protests-and-weekend-service-advisories/#comment-61018</link>
		<dc:creator>Boris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The handful of times I had to return from Manhattan to the South Shore after midnight, it took me about 3 hours.

I wonder why no drivers ever pick up people on the Brooklyn side of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge and take them to the other side, in order to be able to use the carpool discount. Is it the no-hitchhiking law, or are New Yorkers just generally too wary of each other? They do that all the time to get over the Golden Gate Bridge.

In some way, the tolls are &quot;fair&quot; because they are priced in to everything on the island. In other words, because people who move to Staten Island expect to start paying the tolls, they make lower offers for their new house, are willing to pay less for food, etc. But this is a very unfair distribution because some people just happen to need to drive across the bridge often and some never do it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The handful of times I had to return from Manhattan to the South Shore after midnight, it took me about 3 hours.</p>
<p>I wonder why no drivers ever pick up people on the Brooklyn side of the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge and take them to the other side, in order to be able to use the carpool discount. Is it the no-hitchhiking law, or are New Yorkers just generally too wary of each other? They do that all the time to get over the Golden Gate Bridge.</p>
<p>In some way, the tolls are &#8220;fair&#8221; because they are priced in to everything on the island. In other words, because people who move to Staten Island expect to start paying the tolls, they make lower offers for their new house, are willing to pay less for food, etc. But this is a very unfair distribution because some people just happen to need to drive across the bridge often and some never do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/15/fare-hike-protests-and-weekend-service-advisories/#comment-61014</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 00:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just remembered more about that World&#039;s Fair situation that I described in my post above.
The Fair management issued a rule that from that point on, no more that a certain number of coins will be accepted for paying the admission.(I&#039;m not sure if it was 8 coins, or 10, or 12, whatever.)

The police announced that any motorist who ran out of gas on the roads leading to the Fair would be given a free pint of gas (enough to get him to a gas station) and that he would be arrested if he refused to accept it.

Like I said, this penny-paying business brings back nostalgic memories of the spring of 1964.  On the other side of the tracks(literally), the original Shea Stadium was opening up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just remembered more about that World&#8217;s Fair situation that I described in my post above.<br />
The Fair management issued a rule that from that point on, no more that a certain number of coins will be accepted for paying the admission.(I&#8217;m not sure if it was 8 coins, or 10, or 12, whatever.)</p>
<p>The police announced that any motorist who ran out of gas on the roads leading to the Fair would be given a free pint of gas (enough to get him to a gas station) and that he would be arrested if he refused to accept it.</p>
<p>Like I said, this penny-paying business brings back nostalgic memories of the spring of 1964.  On the other side of the tracks(literally), the original Shea Stadium was opening up.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/15/fare-hike-protests-and-weekend-service-advisories/#comment-61011</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 20:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know too many Staten Islanders, and am just laughing at the thought of them carrying this off peacefully. Most likely the guys from the 9th, 10th, 11th etc. cars in line will be jumping out and assaulting the penny-payers, while the rest of us sail through the E-ZPass lanes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know too many Staten Islanders, and am just laughing at the thought of them carrying this off peacefully. Most likely the guys from the 9th, 10th, 11th etc. cars in line will be jumping out and assaulting the penny-payers, while the rest of us sail through the E-ZPass lanes.</p>
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		<title>By: chickenunderwear</title>
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		<dc:creator>chickenunderwear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is funny that the protesters are gonna pay with 1,000 pennies.  If you read the last paragraph in the article as Staten Island residents their fair is only $5.48 &quot;The discounted E-ZPass toll for Staten Island residents will rise to $5.48.&quot;  

So paying $10 in pennies is just a symbolic act.  I guess it it some peoples version of &quot;tea bagging&quot;

Says the article, &quot;The protest is a &quot;patriotic&quot; and peaceful way for Staten Islanders to express their anger, he maintained. &quot;Staten has needed to vent for a very long time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is funny that the protesters are gonna pay with 1,000 pennies.  If you read the last paragraph in the article as Staten Island residents their fair is only $5.48 &#8220;The discounted E-ZPass toll for Staten Island residents will rise to $5.48.&#8221;  </p>
<p>So paying $10 in pennies is just a symbolic act.  I guess it it some peoples version of &#8220;tea bagging&#8221;</p>
<p>Says the article, &#8220;The protest is a &#8220;patriotic&#8221; and peaceful way for Staten Islanders to express their anger, he maintained. &#8220;Staten has needed to vent for a very long time.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Quadboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Quadboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 22:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is long overdue. While I do not think this will be a solution to Staten Island&#039;s problem by any means, its a definite start. Other Boroughs get free bridges, why cant staten Island? Because of the ferry? Try getting back to staten island at night from midtown with the ferry. Thats the ONLY option we got, as the X1/S79 shuts down after a certain time. Youre lucky if it only takes two hours, and thats from the north shore. Id hate to think how long it would take if it were the south shore. 

Of course, you can take a cab, which will probably cost you about $50+ bucks. 

My big criticism towards this protest though is that they are giving the MTA more money purposely, which is counter intuitive. If anything, residents should be doing this almost daily until a fair price is set. That&#039;s alot of pennies though. You&#039;d have to buy them by the box (which is $25 in pennies rolled), and 

All these protests and arguements within the senate about the bridges being free apparently has nothing to do with Staten Islanders once again getting the short end of the stick. $11 for that bridge is ludicrous. Thank god for the residential discount. Still, for what we pay, we get almost nothing in return. We get the longest commutes in the nation, and we get to use that money to fund the LIRR. 

I&#039;m just shocked that people from Staten Island are actually protesting. This is long overdue, but more needs to be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is long overdue. While I do not think this will be a solution to Staten Island&#8217;s problem by any means, its a definite start. Other Boroughs get free bridges, why cant staten Island? Because of the ferry? Try getting back to staten island at night from midtown with the ferry. Thats the ONLY option we got, as the X1/S79 shuts down after a certain time. Youre lucky if it only takes two hours, and thats from the north shore. Id hate to think how long it would take if it were the south shore. </p>
<p>Of course, you can take a cab, which will probably cost you about $50+ bucks. </p>
<p>My big criticism towards this protest though is that they are giving the MTA more money purposely, which is counter intuitive. If anything, residents should be doing this almost daily until a fair price is set. That&#8217;s alot of pennies though. You&#8217;d have to buy them by the box (which is $25 in pennies rolled), and </p>
<p>All these protests and arguements within the senate about the bridges being free apparently has nothing to do with Staten Islanders once again getting the short end of the stick. $11 for that bridge is ludicrous. Thank god for the residential discount. Still, for what we pay, we get almost nothing in return. We get the longest commutes in the nation, and we get to use that money to fund the LIRR. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just shocked that people from Staten Island are actually protesting. This is long overdue, but more needs to be done.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About that matter of paying with all pennies:

Anybody who, like me, is old enough to remember the 1964-65 New York World&#039;s Fair may remember the civil rights protests that occurred at the time of the opening of the Fair.  One tactic used by the protesters was to pay the $2.00 admission with 199 pennies, and then to argue about it and demand that his money be recounted. 
(Two dollars was a lot more money in 1964 than it is now. For instance, the subway fare was 15 cents.)
The idea was to delay as long as possible the line of people behind him waiting to get in.
If the person behind him on the line tried to supply the missing penny himself, the protestor would refuse it and say that the admission was $2.00, not $2.01.

Another tactic used by those protestors was to deliberately run out of gas on the roads leading to the Fair, in order to block up traffic and stop people from getting to the Fair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About that matter of paying with all pennies:</p>
<p>Anybody who, like me, is old enough to remember the 1964-65 New York World&#8217;s Fair may remember the civil rights protests that occurred at the time of the opening of the Fair.  One tactic used by the protesters was to pay the $2.00 admission with 199 pennies, and then to argue about it and demand that his money be recounted.<br />
(Two dollars was a lot more money in 1964 than it is now. For instance, the subway fare was 15 cents.)<br />
The idea was to delay as long as possible the line of people behind him waiting to get in.<br />
If the person behind him on the line tried to supply the missing penny himself, the protestor would refuse it and say that the admission was $2.00, not $2.01.</p>
<p>Another tactic used by those protestors was to deliberately run out of gas on the roads leading to the Fair, in order to block up traffic and stop people from getting to the Fair.</p>
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		<title>By: Cen-Sin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cen-Sin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 06:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never knew people still had a use for pennies these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never knew people still had a use for pennies these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 23:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the idea of protesting by paying with pennies. It reminds me of civil libertarian protesters who tried to derail British ID card efforts by standing in line to get IDs all at the same time nationwide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the idea of protesting by paying with pennies. It reminds me of civil libertarian protesters who tried to derail British ID card efforts by standing in line to get IDs all at the same time nationwide.</p>
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