Comments on: For Fulton St., a deadline and budget but no dome

By: A Transit Hub kinda, sorta grows at Fulton St. :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog

Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:18:17 +0000

[...] the MTA still doesn’t know what the Fulton St. Transit Hub will look like or exactly when it will open, something is happening at the long-vacant lot at the corner of Fulton [...]

By: Firming up the Fulton St. schedule :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog

Fri, 12 Jun 2009 05:06:49 +0000

[...] toward a steadier short-term future, Capital Construction President Micheal Horodniceanu issued an aggressively bold schedule for the oft-delayed Fulton St. Hub. He guaranteed a 2014 completion date for the project now nearly [...]

By: petey

petey — Fri, 22 May 2009 12:49:16 +0000

“the PATH terminal … and ONE BLOCK AWAY … the Fulton St hub”

so that’s why i though they were all one thing

By: Scott E

Scott E — Fri, 22 May 2009 12:24:43 +0000

Well, I’m going to guess that it wasn’t supposed to cost $5 billion when the decisions were made. If they knew the real cost, it might have been different.

Besides, I heard that Fulton St. was originally envisioned as an LIRR terminus as well as a subway hub. We all know now that there is no longer a planned LIRR connection — I don’t know if “future provisions” are included in the Transit Center design or not. But that’s partially why it was such a grand structure to begin with.

(The other reason is because, in the wake of 9/11, someone thought we needed really shiny things downtown. Not just shiny, but really shiny).

By: Alon Levy

Alon Levy — Fri, 22 May 2009 07:36:40 +0000

If New York City has commuter rail that gets you to where you want to go, then the Apocalypse will come.

By: AlexB

AlexB — Fri, 22 May 2009 02:39:23 +0000

Aaargh!!! $3.2 billion for the PATH terminal, 12 years after 9/11, and ONE BLOCK AWAY, $1.4 billion for the Fulton St hub, 13 years after 9/11. Adding .3 billion for the temporary station and the whole Fulton St/WTC complex comes to a cool $5 billion

I love both these buildings, and I am excited to think I might one day see them, but the whole thing makes me want to beat my head against the wall. For $7 billion in midtown, we will get a huge brand new eight track train station a hundred and forty feet below grand central, decreased travel time for LIRR commuters, more capacity, and convenient connections between the LIRR and MNR. For $5 billion downtown, we will get the same capacity as we had before 9/11, plus some pedestrian passageways, and some really really cool shiny stuff.

Please make me understand. Why did no one say: Let’s spend $7B and build one super cool shiny transit center, some new passageways, an extension of the LIRR to the WTC, and a new combined PATH/LIRR station? I think this is very comparable in scope to the East Side Access project. For bit more, they could have thrown in the PATH/6 connection. You could have gotten almost anywhere from the WTC; it would be worthy of that immense Calatrava building.

Now that would rock.

By: Josh Karpoff

Josh Karpoff — Thu, 21 May 2009 21:05:32 +0000

Both of the Fulton Transit Center AND the Calatrava designed WTC PATH hub are total boondoggles.
Any 9/11 lower Manhattan project funding seems to be cursed.

Oh and NJT just awarded the first contract for the ARC Tunnel project this week, so we can expect several decades of missed deadlines and over budget announcements for that project too!

I really wish someone would sit down, analyze all of the big regional transit project, figure out the root causes of these delays and cost overruns on all of these projects and work with the project managers to find a way around these problems in the future.

Like wouldn’t a big public sector design and construction management conference be a good start?

By: petey

petey — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:11:59 +0000

oh, ok then.

By: Benjamin Kabak

Benjamin Kabak — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:09:52 +0000

That looks nothing like what Calatrava designed because it’s a different project. Calatrava has designed the Port Authority’s PATH hub at the World Trade Center site. That is moving ahead mostly as planned. The Fulton Street Transit Center and its above-ground hub is not the same thing.

By: petey

petey — Thu, 21 May 2009 20:02:03 +0000

that looks nothing like the beautiful thing calatrava designed (http://curbed.com/uploads/2008_4_calatrava.jpg). for a bit there i was actually moved by what was supposed to be coming: the new penn station, the new fulton street station, and now it's all going to look like unambitious dreck.