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	<title>Comments on: Spotted: A 13 train on the 1 line</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Xie</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/29/spotted-a-13-train-on-the-1-line/#comment-63092</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Xie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The #13 is just an error.Same with the old J and Z cars.You could hardly tell if it&#039;s a J or Z train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The #13 is just an error.Same with the old J and Z cars.You could hardly tell if it&#8217;s a J or Z train.</p>
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		<title>By: When it was a train: The Grand St. shuttle :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/29/spotted-a-13-train-on-the-1-line/#comment-63007</link>
		<dc:creator>When it was a train: The Grand St. shuttle :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 19:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the end of May, a loyal Second Ave. Sagas reader sent me a picture of the 13 train. The photo was one of an erroneously rolled roll sign on the 1 train. The 13, we discovered, was [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the end of May, a loyal Second Ave. Sagas reader sent me a picture of the 13 train. The photo was one of an erroneously rolled roll sign on the 1 train. The 13, we discovered, was [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Transit plans Bronx express 4 service :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/29/spotted-a-13-train-on-the-1-line/#comment-61436</link>
		<dc:creator>Transit plans Bronx express 4 service :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 16:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is succesful, the MTA will consider making it a permanent service. While I doubt this is what the 13 bullet rollsign was all about, it&#8217;s worth noting that the MTA has four unused green bullets in its arsenal [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is succesful, the MTA will consider making it a permanent service. While I doubt this is what the 13 bullet rollsign was all about, it&#8217;s worth noting that the MTA has four unused green bullets in its arsenal [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Distefano</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/29/spotted-a-13-train-on-the-1-line/#comment-61362</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Distefano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 03:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The use of the number 13 shows that MTA planners are not superstitious. There is even a 13th floor at 370 Jay Street.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of the number 13 shows that MTA planners are not superstitious. There is even a 13th floor at 370 Jay Street.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/29/spotted-a-13-train-on-the-1-line/#comment-61324</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 05:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was a bit inaccurate of me. The car models are the same as the 3 and some of the old 4s. The stock comes from a different yard. The 1 trains park up near 242nd and the 7&#039;s out in Flushing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was a bit inaccurate of me. The car models are the same as the 3 and some of the old 4s. The stock comes from a different yard. The 1 trains park up near 242nd and the 7&#8217;s out in Flushing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kris Datta</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/05/29/spotted-a-13-train-on-the-1-line/#comment-61318</link>
		<dc:creator>Kris Datta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 00:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice find, but what do you mean by the 1 &quot;shares rolling stock with the 3 and 4&quot;? The 1 runs the same cars as the 7, but it doesn&#039;t share yards with other train lines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice find, but what do you mean by the 1 &#8220;shares rolling stock with the 3 and 4&#8243;? The 1 runs the same cars as the 7, but it doesn&#8217;t share yards with other train lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Kid Twist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kid Twist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, BMT No. 13 was the Fulton Street El. The 14th Street-Canarsie Line was 16.

And yes, from what I&#039;ve heard, the extra numbers on the current rollsigns are there in case they add variant services or decide to eliminate some of the confusing splits, like 5 trains that run to two different places in the Bronx or the 7 express and 7 local. Maybe 13 is for something like a Seventh Avenue-Dyre Avenue routing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, BMT No. 13 was the Fulton Street El. The 14th Street-Canarsie Line was 16.</p>
<p>And yes, from what I&#8217;ve heard, the extra numbers on the current rollsigns are there in case they add variant services or decide to eliminate some of the confusing splits, like 5 trains that run to two different places in the Bronx or the 7 express and 7 local. Maybe 13 is for something like a Seventh Avenue-Dyre Avenue routing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Later on the &quot;whole story&quot; came back to me.

Until the &quot;Chrystie St.&quot; changeover in 1967, the BMT trains were primarily referred to by NAMES, not letters or numbers.
On maps and on station signs, the trains were Sea Beach, West End, Brighton, etc.  People would use those names when referring to any BMT train in their conversations.

So it was in 1967 that the 14th St.-Canarsie line officially became the LL.  Many years later it became the L when all of the           double-letter names were abolished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Later on the &#8220;whole story&#8221; came back to me.</p>
<p>Until the &#8220;Chrystie St.&#8221; changeover in 1967, the BMT trains were primarily referred to by NAMES, not letters or numbers.<br />
On maps and on station signs, the trains were Sea Beach, West End, Brighton, etc.  People would use those names when referring to any BMT train in their conversations.</p>
<p>So it was in 1967 that the 14th St.-Canarsie line officially became the LL.  Many years later it became the L when all of the           double-letter names were abolished.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BMT routes were assigned letters in 1960, but the nomenclature was pretty haphazard between 1960 and 1967 -- some trainsets still used numbers, some used letters, and some of the older Standards weren&#039;t equipped to display anything at all.

When the Chrystie Street Connection opened in 1967, everything went over to letters and (for the IRT routes) numbers as the primary route designator.  That&#039;s not to say that on old BMT routes you still didn&#039;t see some traincars with their old route numbers now and then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BMT routes were assigned letters in 1960, but the nomenclature was pretty haphazard between 1960 and 1967 &#8212; some trainsets still used numbers, some used letters, and some of the older Standards weren&#8217;t equipped to display anything at all.</p>
<p>When the Chrystie Street Connection opened in 1967, everything went over to letters and (for the IRT routes) numbers as the primary route designator.  That&#8217;s not to say that on old BMT routes you still didn&#8217;t see some traincars with their old route numbers now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s also a green 12: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unused_New_York_City_Subway_service_labels</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s also a green 12: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unused_New_York_City_Subway_service_labels" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.....ice_labels</a></p>
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