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	<title>Comments on: Suburban rail enjoys far fewer riders, more slush fund money</title>
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		<title>By: Which MTA Capital Construction Project is Most Needed? &#124; Passing For Knowledge</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/06/15/suburban-rail-enjoys-far-fewer-riders-more-slush-fund-money/#comment-61741</link>
		<dc:creator>Which MTA Capital Construction Project is Most Needed? &#124; Passing For Knowledge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] might be biased against prioritizing commuter-rail projects (not without good reason), but I feel like dropping this plan would have the least [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] might be biased against prioritizing commuter-rail projects (not without good reason), but I feel like dropping this plan would have the least [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Cap'n Transit</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/06/15/suburban-rail-enjoys-far-fewer-riders-more-slush-fund-money/#comment-61706</link>
		<dc:creator>Cap'n Transit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 00:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In theory, the Legislature would know their constituents&#039; needs well and be the best allocation.  In practice, the legislators don&#039;t care about anyone who doesn&#039;t drive, and use the money as bargaining chips, allocating them on the basis of power and what would make a good press release, not on the basis of need.

So are you all ready to support insurgent candidates next year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In theory, the Legislature would know their constituents&#8217; needs well and be the best allocation.  In practice, the legislators don&#8217;t care about anyone who doesn&#8217;t drive, and use the money as bargaining chips, allocating them on the basis of power and what would make a good press release, not on the basis of need.</p>
<p>So are you all ready to support insurgent candidates next year?</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/06/15/suburban-rail-enjoys-far-fewer-riders-more-slush-fund-money/#comment-61699</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See revenue data &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mta.info/mta/ind-finance/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. Year-to-date as of March 2009, NYCT&#039;s revenue is $795 million, the LIRR&#039;s is $123, and the Metro-North&#039;s is $125.

The problem with RER-style service is that there&#039;s no political will to engage in RER-style through-running. New York could start running its train RER-style tomorrow if it were willing to through-run New Jersey Transit and LIRR trains, with Penn Station becoming the city&#039;s Chatelet-Les Halles. Then it could start working on new connections, like Hoboken-Fulton-Atlantic, Grand Central-Fulton-St. George, or an alternative to the ARC tunnel that connects to the existing tracks. That would massively improve connectivity in neighborhoods with commuter rail stations, like Sunnyside, Morris Heights, and East New York.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See revenue data <a href="http://www.mta.info/mta/ind-finance/index.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Year-to-date as of March 2009, NYCT&#8217;s revenue is $795 million, the LIRR&#8217;s is $123, and the Metro-North&#8217;s is $125.</p>
<p>The problem with RER-style service is that there&#8217;s no political will to engage in RER-style through-running. New York could start running its train RER-style tomorrow if it were willing to through-run New Jersey Transit and LIRR trains, with Penn Station becoming the city&#8217;s Chatelet-Les Halles. Then it could start working on new connections, like Hoboken-Fulton-Atlantic, Grand Central-Fulton-St. George, or an alternative to the ARC tunnel that connects to the existing tracks. That would massively improve connectivity in neighborhoods with commuter rail stations, like Sunnyside, Morris Heights, and East New York.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/06/15/suburban-rail-enjoys-far-fewer-riders-more-slush-fund-money/#comment-61698</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If New York City seceded, it&#039;d probably take Long Island and Westchester with it. It&#039;d create a state dominated by the city rather than the suburbs, which would somewhat improve transportation priorities, but it wouldn&#039;t disenfranchise the suburbs the way some New Yorkers hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If New York City seceded, it&#8217;d probably take Long Island and Westchester with it. It&#8217;d create a state dominated by the city rather than the suburbs, which would somewhat improve transportation priorities, but it wouldn&#8217;t disenfranchise the suburbs the way some New Yorkers hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Ariel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ariel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another example of how Albany is broken and totally out of touch with the city&#039;s transportation needs.

I think Blasito got it right when he said that the MTA would be best able to determine the allocation of the resources.  Is it too late to assure that happens in the future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another example of how Albany is broken and totally out of touch with the city&#8217;s transportation needs.</p>
<p>I think Blasito got it right when he said that the MTA would be best able to determine the allocation of the resources.  Is it too late to assure that happens in the future?</p>
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		<title>By: Madoff as Economic Stimulus - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/06/15/suburban-rail-enjoys-far-fewer-riders-more-slush-fund-money/#comment-61686</link>
		<dc:creator>Madoff as Economic Stimulus - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] New York state mass transit money is allocated to rails that serve suburban communities than to the subway, despite the glaring disparity between the number of daily suburban commuters [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] New York state mass transit money is allocated to rails that serve suburban communities than to the subway, despite the glaring disparity between the number of daily suburban commuters [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/06/15/suburban-rail-enjoys-far-fewer-riders-more-slush-fund-money/#comment-61683</link>
		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Christ. If Assemblymembers invested this in BRT they could break ground by the time they&#039;re up for reelection...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Christ. If Assemblymembers invested this in BRT they could break ground by the time they&#8217;re up for reelection&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blasito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blasito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why the legislature gets to play with this money at all is my first question. I would think the MTA would be best able to determine the allocation of limited resources. 

But to be fair to the suburbs, I also wonder about a few other factors. 

Yes there are far fewer commuters on the trains vs. the subways, but they pay a lot more in daily fares. What is the difference in revenue between the subways and the railroads? 

And since railroad commuters travel much longer distances that the average subway commuter, is there any comparison of miles traveled? 

Another thing that many suburban leaders would point to is any dedicated taxes that are collected by the state for the MTA, and that in counties like Suffolk and Dutchess these funds pay for services that most of their residents don&#039;t use. 

My gut tells me that the subway riders are still more important in most of these areas, but I don&#039;t have the data to back it up. It is a more complicated picture than just city vs suburb. 

Lastly, the commuter trains would gain more support in the city if they provided better inter-city service like the RER in Paris does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why the legislature gets to play with this money at all is my first question. I would think the MTA would be best able to determine the allocation of limited resources. </p>
<p>But to be fair to the suburbs, I also wonder about a few other factors. </p>
<p>Yes there are far fewer commuters on the trains vs. the subways, but they pay a lot more in daily fares. What is the difference in revenue between the subways and the railroads? </p>
<p>And since railroad commuters travel much longer distances that the average subway commuter, is there any comparison of miles traveled? </p>
<p>Another thing that many suburban leaders would point to is any dedicated taxes that are collected by the state for the MTA, and that in counties like Suffolk and Dutchess these funds pay for services that most of their residents don&#8217;t use. </p>
<p>My gut tells me that the subway riders are still more important in most of these areas, but I don&#8217;t have the data to back it up. It is a more complicated picture than just city vs suburb. </p>
<p>Lastly, the commuter trains would gain more support in the city if they provided better inter-city service like the RER in Paris does.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 06:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like we seriously need to secede from Albany. But everyone already knew that.

Oh, sigh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like we seriously need to secede from Albany. But everyone already knew that.</p>
<p>Oh, sigh.</p>
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