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		<title>By: The sounds of anything but silence :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/07/20/the-noisy-noisy-subways/#comment-69219</link>
		<dc:creator>The sounds of anything but silence :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 06:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this survey seems to reduce the noise levels found this summer when one group warned of 100+ decibel exposure at some subway stations. Those built around curves are the loudest as trains make more noises [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this survey seems to reduce the noise levels found this summer when one group warned of 100+ decibel exposure at some subway stations. Those built around curves are the loudest as trains make more noises [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Noisy subways &#124; City life &#38; art</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/07/20/the-noisy-noisy-subways/#comment-64001</link>
		<dc:creator>Noisy subways &#124; City life &#38; art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 03:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Story via Via 2nd Ave. Sagas [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Subway Noise Revisited :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/07/20/the-noisy-noisy-subways/#comment-63206</link>
		<dc:creator>Subway Noise Revisited :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2009 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health later this month addresses the dangerously high noise levels present throughout the subway system. While the results of this survey will no doubt have an impact [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health later this month addresses the dangerously high noise levels present throughout the subway system. While the results of this survey will no doubt have an impact [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike HC</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/07/20/the-noisy-noisy-subways/#comment-62933</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike HC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have now given me a built in excuse for taking a cab to work and school every now and then without feeling so guilty and broke.  At least I will be able to hear when I&#039;m 50!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have now given me a built in excuse for taking a cab to work and school every now and then without feeling so guilty and broke.  At least I will be able to hear when I&#8217;m 50!!</p>
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		<title>By: Brmnyc</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/07/20/the-noisy-noisy-subways/#comment-62886</link>
		<dc:creator>Brmnyc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 05:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone concerned about noise levels in subway stations (including one would hope some managers at the MTA) should pay a visit to the 49th Street Station on the Broadway line (N, R, W).  When this station was renovated in the 1970&#039;s (notable for the garish, red tiles), they also added panels into the ceiling over the tracks and
in between tracks.  These seem to be there to absorb sound, and in stark contrast to other stations in the system, the noise levels seem greatly reduced.  When trains pull into and out of stations (or the Q express rolls through), the noise seems reduced to a relative whisper.  Why didn&#039;t the MTA continue installing these as they&#039;ve renovated other stations since?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone concerned about noise levels in subway stations (including one would hope some managers at the MTA) should pay a visit to the 49th Street Station on the Broadway line (N, R, W).  When this station was renovated in the 1970&#8242;s (notable for the garish, red tiles), they also added panels into the ceiling over the tracks and<br />
in between tracks.  These seem to be there to absorb sound, and in stark contrast to other stations in the system, the noise levels seem greatly reduced.  When trains pull into and out of stations (or the Q express rolls through), the noise seems reduced to a relative whisper.  Why didn&#8217;t the MTA continue installing these as they&#8217;ve renovated other stations since?</p>
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		<title>By: herenthere</title>
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		<dc:creator>herenthere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 04:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously, those newer cars are already making screeching sounds when they brake at stations...and their fans at stations are deafening.

I doubt that spending a mere two minutes taking the subway each day will cause hearing loss...if that were the case then police officers assigned to stations for longer periods would&#039;ve probably sued someone already (unknock on wood).

Maybe if someone came along and sponsored the addition of Platform Screen Doors for lines with newer rolling stocks, that might help cut out most of the noise while waiting on platforms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously, those newer cars are already making screeching sounds when they brake at stations&#8230;and their fans at stations are deafening.</p>
<p>I doubt that spending a mere two minutes taking the subway each day will cause hearing loss&#8230;if that were the case then police officers assigned to stations for longer periods would&#8217;ve probably sued someone already (unknock on wood).</p>
<p>Maybe if someone came along and sponsored the addition of Platform Screen Doors for lines with newer rolling stocks, that might help cut out most of the noise while waiting on platforms.</p>
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		<title>By: Adirondacker</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/07/20/the-noisy-noisy-subways/#comment-62873</link>
		<dc:creator>Adirondacker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The MTA should do what it can to make things quieter. Besides protection your hearing it makes the bus or the train more pleasant. 

I&#039;m getting old.... You should have been on the subway before there was air conditioning. Imagine going through a tunnel with the windows open. 

I&#039;m getting old...  I hadn&#039;t taken the subway in years mostly because I hadn&#039;t been in NY for years. Well my flight was delayed because of rain. I knew the Belt Parkway would literally be a parking lot so I decided to take the A train into Manhattan. Spent most of the trip through Brooklyn eavesdropping on a conversation about telephone costs. When to use the cell phone instead of the landline for those toll calls to the relatives in Suffolk county etc. I then realized I was eavesdropping. Something you couldn&#039;t do before the 70s for two reasons. The trains were so noisy you couldn&#039;t eavesdrop. And the trains were so noisy people couldn&#039;t have conversations to eavesdrop on.... I&#039;m getting old....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The MTA should do what it can to make things quieter. Besides protection your hearing it makes the bus or the train more pleasant. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting old&#8230;. You should have been on the subway before there was air conditioning. Imagine going through a tunnel with the windows open. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting old&#8230;  I hadn&#8217;t taken the subway in years mostly because I hadn&#8217;t been in NY for years. Well my flight was delayed because of rain. I knew the Belt Parkway would literally be a parking lot so I decided to take the A train into Manhattan. Spent most of the trip through Brooklyn eavesdropping on a conversation about telephone costs. When to use the cell phone instead of the landline for those toll calls to the relatives in Suffolk county etc. I then realized I was eavesdropping. Something you couldn&#8217;t do before the 70s for two reasons. The trains were so noisy you couldn&#8217;t eavesdrop. And the trains were so noisy people couldn&#8217;t have conversations to eavesdrop on&#8230;. I&#8217;m getting old&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan_h</title>
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		<dc:creator>nathan_h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But if they manage to reduce the chances of NYCT losing injry lawsuits, I’m willing to tolerate them.&quot;

I have to agree with that, but it would be interesting to test that assumption as well. :) Even if jurors are influenced by this nonsense, I worry it simply raises &#039;safety&#039; expectations and sets up the authority to lose in cases where it can&#039;t be shown that the announcement was played. American civil courts have earned the right to be treated as a science experiment and I think we should hold off on feel-good and easy (with hidden costs) &#039;safety&#039; measure until it is established that there is some positive benefit, in real life or in the courtroom. (And with the play money evaporating before our eyes, I hope we may find a more effective way to close the litigious lottery!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But if they manage to reduce the chances of NYCT losing injry lawsuits, I’m willing to tolerate them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have to agree with that, but it would be interesting to test that assumption as well. <img src='http://secondavenuesagas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Even if jurors are influenced by this nonsense, I worry it simply raises &#8216;safety&#8217; expectations and sets up the authority to lose in cases where it can&#8217;t be shown that the announcement was played. American civil courts have earned the right to be treated as a science experiment and I think we should hold off on feel-good and easy (with hidden costs) &#8216;safety&#8217; measure until it is established that there is some positive benefit, in real life or in the courtroom. (And with the play money evaporating before our eyes, I hope we may find a more effective way to close the litigious lottery!)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/07/20/the-noisy-noisy-subways/#comment-62848</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that most of the (irritating) public safety announcements serve no actual safety function.

But if they manage to reduce the chances of NYCT losing injry lawsuits, I&#039;m willing to tolerate them.

Generally, I&#039;ve found that if an announcement is automated, it&#039;s probably of little interest; if it begins with &quot;This is an important message,&quot; it&#039;s certainly of little interest; and if it&#039;s quietly mumbled and I can&#039;t hear it over the chatting tourists at the other end of the car, it&#039;s something I might have actually wanted to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that most of the (irritating) public safety announcements serve no actual safety function.</p>
<p>But if they manage to reduce the chances of NYCT losing injry lawsuits, I&#8217;m willing to tolerate them.</p>
<p>Generally, I&#8217;ve found that if an announcement is automated, it&#8217;s probably of little interest; if it begins with &#8220;This is an important message,&#8221; it&#8217;s certainly of little interest; and if it&#8217;s quietly mumbled and I can&#8217;t hear it over the chatting tourists at the other end of the car, it&#8217;s something I might have actually wanted to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The more modern cars are quieter?  Really?

They make more noise while in motion than most of the older cars, especially going around curves.  The automatic announcements are loud (not so much the un-automated ones, which is kind of unfortunate, since those are the announcements that people actually need to hear).  The fans are obnoxiously loud (and I&#039;m not sure why, since the air conditioning is just as effective on the older cars).  And many of the trains still screech to a stop.

Ever been to Grand Central or Union Square when four trains pull in at once, shouting their announcements in unison so that nobody can understand anything, blowing their obnoxious fans with such force that the station ceiling nearly pops out?  (OK, slight hyperbole there.  But only slight.)  Not a pleasant experience.  My eardrums much prefer the older cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more modern cars are quieter?  Really?</p>
<p>They make more noise while in motion than most of the older cars, especially going around curves.  The automatic announcements are loud (not so much the un-automated ones, which is kind of unfortunate, since those are the announcements that people actually need to hear).  The fans are obnoxiously loud (and I&#8217;m not sure why, since the air conditioning is just as effective on the older cars).  And many of the trains still screech to a stop.</p>
<p>Ever been to Grand Central or Union Square when four trains pull in at once, shouting their announcements in unison so that nobody can understand anything, blowing their obnoxious fans with such force that the station ceiling nearly pops out?  (OK, slight hyperbole there.  But only slight.)  Not a pleasant experience.  My eardrums much prefer the older cars.</p>
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