Comments on: Union blames MTA for potential fare increases http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/ A New York City Subway Blog Sat, 26 May 2012 00:19:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: you're kidding me http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-68177 you're kidding me Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:00:10 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-68177 MTA workers doing a good job? For everybody saying this...are you guys blind? Or too busy sleeping on the subway? The only unionized MTA workers who do a good job are the train operators, everybody else has no idea what the hell is going on 50% of the time, and don't care 100% of the time, to them this is just a way to pay the bills from which they have little chance of getting fire in the event of a screwup, which is why even though we have one of the oldest and most extensive systems in the world, we also have one of the worst. So, the idea that the workers deserve a raise because they work hard is a moot point. So...why else should they get a raise? Can you think of anything? Neither can I. Bear in mind, most of these workers are high school dropouts who somehow earn the same wages and have more job security, that's right, MORE than a lot of teachers. Anybody want to tell me what's wrong with this picture? And all this isn't even taking into account this crucial question: why did we ever allow people who control the lifeline of the city to unionize? Why did we ever give them this much power over the livelihood of the entire city? Considering their level of intelligence and level of greed (not to mention lack of consideration for the rest of the city), it's like giving the key to the treasury to a scam artist. MTA workers doing a good job? For everybody saying this…are you guys blind? Or too busy sleeping on the subway? The only unionized MTA workers who do a good job are the train operators, everybody else has no idea what the hell is going on 50% of the time, and don’t care 100% of the time, to them this is just a way to pay the bills from which they have little chance of getting fire in the event of a screwup, which is why even though we have one of the oldest and most extensive systems in the world, we also have one of the worst.

So, the idea that the workers deserve a raise because they work hard is a moot point. So…why else should they get a raise? Can you think of anything? Neither can I.

Bear in mind, most of these workers are high school dropouts who somehow earn the same wages and have more job security, that’s right, MORE than a lot of teachers. Anybody want to tell me what’s wrong with this picture?

And all this isn’t even taking into account this crucial question: why did we ever allow people who control the lifeline of the city to unionize? Why did we ever give them this much power over the livelihood of the entire city? Considering their level of intelligence and level of greed (not to mention lack of consideration for the rest of the city), it’s like giving the key to the treasury to a scam artist.

]]> By: Nathanael http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-64049 Nathanael Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:12:32 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-64049 4% wage increases?!?!? What's going on, has the TWU not had a raise for ten years or something? (Like the teachers?) Currently we're experiencing *deflation*. You can maintain your standard of living with *no wage increase*. However, on another topic, the MTA withdrew its OPTO proposal?!? Are they crazy? That was worth quite a lot of other concessions to the union if they could get it through. Two-person train operations are featherbedding plain and simple in a modern transit system. On yet another point, it looks like this all would go much better, with more MTA money and a happier union, if the US Congress would pass MEDICARE FOR ALL, taking the health insurance costs off of both the MTA and the employees. 4% wage increases?!?!?

What’s going on, has the TWU not had a raise for ten years or something? (Like the teachers?)

Currently we’re experiencing *deflation*. You can maintain your standard of living with *no wage increase*.

However, on another topic, the MTA withdrew its OPTO proposal?!? Are they crazy? That was worth quite a lot of other concessions to the union if they could get it through. Two-person train operations are featherbedding plain and simple in a modern transit system.

On yet another point, it looks like this all would go much better, with more MTA money and a happier union, if the US Congress would pass MEDICARE FOR ALL, taking the health insurance costs off of both the MTA and the employees.

]]> By: David http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-63804 David Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:45:29 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-63804 This person should have a labotomy due to their idiot comments of always blaming the workers who make all the rules (wink) and creates the budgets that go overboard (wink, again) not by a small margin, but by hundreds of millions of dollars who have to be paid by the taxpayers (working class people) this will include the workers who are vying for a raise..... YOU MY FRIEND ARE A DAMN IDIOT>>>>>STAY OFF THE DRUGS..... This person should have a labotomy due to their idiot comments of always blaming the workers who make all the rules (wink) and creates the budgets that go overboard (wink, again) not by a small margin, but by hundreds of millions of dollars who have to be paid by the taxpayers (working class people) this will include the workers who are vying for a raise….. YOU MY FRIEND ARE A DAMN IDIOT>>>>>STAY OFF THE DRUGS…..

]]> By: David http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-63803 David Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:37:16 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-63803 Once again it seems that someone is busy smoking dope based upon thei comments. The MTA should be reeled in as the incompetent morons that they are..... Once again it seems that someone is busy smoking dope based upon thei comments. The MTA should be reeled in as the incompetent morons that they are…..

]]> By: David http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-63802 David Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:35:21 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-63802 IanM Both of your parents must be related due to the stupid comment that you made. The MTA and all the elected Politicans who run this city are all corrupt and blame the workers who do a great job in running the services in this city, with no help from them. IanM

Both of your parents must be related due to the stupid comment that you made. The MTA and all the elected Politicans who run this city are all corrupt and blame the workers who do a great job in running the services in this city, with no help from them.

]]> By: Wrench http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-63781 Wrench Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:47:33 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-63781 I CANT BELIEVE ALL THE CRAP ABOUT WHATS GOING ON BECAUSE THE TWU GOT A RAISE. STOP THE SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY LET ALL OF THOSE UNION WORKERS GET LAID OFF. THE TWU HAS ALREADY BEEN SHAFTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN, IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTIME A CONTRACT IS DUE THEY HAVE NO MONEY AND THE UNION GETS SHAFTED. THE WORKERS WHO DO THERE JOBS TO KEEP THIS GREAT BUT POOR CITY ROLLING THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUY MILK TOO. THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS BEEN WORKING AND DESERVE A FARE RAISE IN PAY TO HELP MAKE ENDS MEET. IF POOR PLANNING IS SUCH AN ISSUE THAN TAKE THAT UP WITH THE MTA. THEY SEEM TO BE VERY TOP HEAVY TO GIVE OUT FAT CONTRACTS WHEN EVER THEY CAN TO STICK IT TO THE UNIONS THAT KEEP NEW YORK CITY ROLLING. HOW MUCH HAS THE MTA GIVEN AWAY TO CONTRACTORS FOR WORK THAT CAN BE DONE IN HOUSE THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERS. BLOOMIES SHOULD EITHER PUT UP OR SHUT UP HE AND HIS BILLIONS ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR ANYONE BUT BLOOMIE YOU HAVE IT SO GOOD (BAIL OUT THE CITY) I CANT BELIEVE ALL THE CRAP ABOUT WHATS GOING ON BECAUSE THE TWU GOT A RAISE. STOP THE SECOND AVENUE SUBWAY LET ALL OF THOSE UNION WORKERS GET LAID OFF. THE TWU HAS ALREADY BEEN SHAFTED TIME AND TIME AGAIN, IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTIME A CONTRACT IS DUE THEY HAVE NO MONEY AND THE UNION GETS SHAFTED. THE WORKERS WHO DO THERE JOBS TO KEEP THIS GREAT BUT POOR CITY ROLLING THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO BUY MILK TOO. THEY ARE NO DIFFERENT FROM ANYONE ELSE WHO HAS BEEN WORKING AND DESERVE A FARE RAISE IN PAY TO HELP MAKE ENDS MEET. IF POOR PLANNING IS SUCH AN ISSUE THAN TAKE THAT UP WITH THE MTA. THEY SEEM TO BE VERY TOP HEAVY TO GIVE OUT FAT CONTRACTS WHEN EVER THEY CAN TO STICK IT TO THE UNIONS THAT KEEP NEW YORK CITY ROLLING. HOW MUCH HAS THE MTA GIVEN AWAY TO CONTRACTORS FOR WORK THAT CAN BE DONE IN HOUSE THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERS. BLOOMIES SHOULD EITHER PUT UP OR SHUT UP HE AND HIS BILLIONS ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING FOR ANYONE BUT BLOOMIE YOU HAVE IT SO GOOD (BAIL OUT THE CITY)

]]> By: Marty http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-63770 Marty Fri, 14 Aug 2009 23:36:41 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-63770 Is absolutely amazing and incredible that the riders fall for the lies coming from the multi billionaire of Bloomie and their cronies in the media. We will immediately will blame the union for asking for a raise. Not only are they are ready to bail-out the culprits and the fabricators of this economic turmoil, but they will defend them and attack the workers that are only asking for a raise to their wages. The trend continues, everything keeps going up in price but wages keeps staying the same. When a group of workers that perform an essential job for this city to functionis ask for araise, we should be glad that we are demanding a fare deal from this corporations and entities to compensate the workers for a job well done. Is absolutely amazing and incredible that the riders fall for the lies coming from the multi billionaire of Bloomie and their cronies in the media. We will immediately will blame the union for asking for a raise. Not only are they are ready to bail-out the culprits and the fabricators of this economic turmoil, but they will defend them and attack the workers that are only asking for a raise to their wages. The trend continues, everything keeps going up in price but wages keeps staying the same. When a group of workers that perform an essential job for this city to functionis ask for araise, we should be glad that we are demanding a fare deal from this corporations and entities to compensate the workers for a job well done.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-63610 Alon Levy Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:29:24 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-63610 Privatization didn't work for the London Underground. Why will it work for the MTA? Privatization didn’t work for the London Underground. Why will it work for the MTA?

]]> By: Larry Littlefield http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-63591 Larry Littlefield Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:02:17 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-63591 Lets have some honest here. The TWU point of view is that knowing it would have to match the raises for other city workers, the MTA should have increased fares more and cut service. That's what poor planning means. Fine. Here is some more good planning. The MTA should be setting aside enough money to cover the earned cost of retiree health care, assuming health care inflation at the current rate. And it should be setting aside enough money to guarantee its pensions are paid no matter what happens to the city and country. That means a historically reasonable assumption of 3.0% more than inflation rate on pension investments from current levels (or less) not 8.0% plus as is currently assumed. And it should be paying for ongoing normal replacement out of current revenues. Put those assumptions in, and raise fares, raise taxes and cut (no, eliminate) transit services to the point where younger generations and those looking to locate businesses will know what their future will be if they stay or move here. Let it happen now. Lets see what the future is. Lets have some honest here. The TWU point of view is that knowing it would have to match the raises for other city workers, the MTA should have increased fares more and cut service. That’s what poor planning means.

Fine. Here is some more good planning. The MTA should be setting aside enough money to cover the earned cost of retiree health care, assuming health care inflation at the current rate.

And it should be setting aside enough money to guarantee its pensions are paid no matter what happens to the city and country. That means a historically reasonable assumption of 3.0% more than inflation rate on pension investments from current levels (or less) not 8.0% plus as is currently assumed.

And it should be paying for ongoing normal replacement out of current revenues.

Put those assumptions in, and raise fares, raise taxes and cut (no, eliminate) transit services to the point where younger generations and those looking to locate businesses will know what their future will be if they stay or move here. Let it happen now. Lets see what the future is.

]]> By: oscar http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/13/blaming-the-mta-for-potential-fare-increases/#comment-63589 oscar Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:43:31 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3657#comment-63589 wow what a BS argument blame the MTA for not predicting that the TWU would be awarded a ridiculous pay increase? The TWU deserves the raise because other unions (wrongfully) got similar ones? And what about reduced contributions for healthcare. How are you gonna spin that nonsense? Your original reaction was the correct one. Don't slip. wow what a BS argument

blame the MTA for not predicting that the TWU would be awarded a ridiculous pay increase?

The TWU deserves the raise because other unions (wrongfully) got similar ones?

And what about reduced contributions for healthcare. How are you gonna spin that nonsense?

Your original reaction was the correct one. Don’t slip.

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