Comments on: Gotbaum urges relief for Second Ave. businesses http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/ A New York City Subway Blog Sat, 26 May 2012 00:19:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: From the archives: Businesses and subway construction :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63979 From the archives: Businesses and subway construction :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog Fri, 21 Aug 2009 16:50:48 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63979 [...] discussing yesterday’s news that Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum has called for more support for Second Ave. businesses, a few SAS readers wanted to know about the impact previous subway construction efforts had on [...] [...] discussing yesterday’s news that Public Advocate Betsy Gotbaum has called for more support for Second Ave. businesses, a few SAS readers wanted to know about the impact previous subway construction efforts had on [...]

]]> By: AlexB http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63975 AlexB Fri, 21 Aug 2009 15:18:35 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63975 I know the SAS is a huge megaproject, blah blah blah, and these things take a lot of time and money, but how much money would it take to finish the whole SAS in ten years? It happened in NYC when they first built the subway. It happens in Europe and China all the time. Is it that we are incompetent, or we just aren't spending enough? I feel like the government should tell everyone they will build it for 40 billion, ask for that much, and then declare success when it only costs 30. This stuff gets financed over decades, is paid for by millions of people and will never stop being a great resource, assuming it's maintained. I know the SAS is a huge megaproject, blah blah blah, and these things take a lot of time and money, but how much money would it take to finish the whole SAS in ten years? It happened in NYC when they first built the subway. It happens in Europe and China all the time. Is it that we are incompetent, or we just aren’t spending enough? I feel like the government should tell everyone they will build it for 40 billion, ask for that much, and then declare success when it only costs 30. This stuff gets financed over decades, is paid for by millions of people and will never stop being a great resource, assuming it’s maintained.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63969 Alon Levy Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:57:16 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63969 Also, even the phase 1 stub way would be useful to people living on the eastern half of the Upper East Side, who are the neighborhood's majority, and to people who need to connect to the West Side. The Lexington line is always going to be the superior choice for going to Lower Manhattan, but SAS will have better West Side access and be closer to where most Upper East Siders live. Also, even the phase 1 stub way would be useful to people living on the eastern half of the Upper East Side, who are the neighborhood’s majority, and to people who need to connect to the West Side. The Lexington line is always going to be the superior choice for going to Lower Manhattan, but SAS will have better West Side access and be closer to where most Upper East Siders live.

]]> By: Ed http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63968 Ed Fri, 21 Aug 2009 01:54:00 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63968 seriously? you think it's going to happen in next 50 years? not a chance seriously? you think it’s going to happen in next 50 years? not a chance

]]> By: Jerrold http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63966 Jerrold Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:57:23 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63966 "It ain't goona happen" SOON. That doesn't mean it will never happen. “It ain’t goona happen” SOON.
That doesn’t mean it will never happen.

]]> By: Ed http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63965 Ed Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:36:57 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63965 Jerrold: In the latest capital plan, the MTA doesnt even plan or account for Phases 2-4. It aint gonna happen - Benjamin wrote about this the other day - to me that changes the whole analysis and thus my initial comment Jerrold:

In the latest capital plan, the MTA doesnt even plan or account for Phases 2-4. It aint gonna happen – Benjamin wrote about this the other day – to me that changes the whole analysis and thus my initial comment

]]> By: Jerrold http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63963 Jerrold Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:12:42 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63963 Ed, don't forget also that the last "stub way" that we had was the 63rd St. "subway to nowhere". A "stub way" does not necessarily STAY that way. We cannot assume that if Phase 1 of the SAS is built, the three other phases will never happen. Ed, don’t forget also that the last “stub way” that we had was the 63rd St. “subway to nowhere”. A “stub way” does not necessarily STAY that way. We cannot assume that if Phase 1 of the SAS is built, the three other phases will never happen.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63961 Alon Levy Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:00:06 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63961 Those lines were built relatively quickly, too. The IND broke ground in 1925, and the full Eighth Avenue Line, from 207th to Hudson Terminal, opened in 1933. Those lines were built relatively quickly, too. The IND broke ground in 1925, and the full Eighth Avenue Line, from 207th to Hudson Terminal, opened in 1933.

]]> By: Alon Levy http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63960 Alon Levy Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:56:49 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63960 Return on investment. The formula that's always applied for transit projects but never for highway or airport projects. I mean, there's an argument to be made that the money could be better spent on signal modernization allowing 40 tph operation and on crosstown light rail north of 59th, but the do-nothing option is not really an option anymore. The 4 and 5 can't run more than 1,600 people per train; the peak-hour average is already 1,300 as of 2006 and rising fast. Return on investment. The formula that’s always applied for transit projects but never for highway or airport projects.

I mean, there’s an argument to be made that the money could be better spent on signal modernization allowing 40 tph operation and on crosstown light rail north of 59th, but the do-nothing option is not really an option anymore. The 4 and 5 can’t run more than 1,600 people per train; the peak-hour average is already 1,300 as of 2006 and rising fast.

]]> By: Jerrold http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/08/20/study-finds-business-impact-of-sas/#comment-63959 Jerrold Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:18:01 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=3713#comment-63959 What's ROI? What’s ROI?

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