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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/06/a-to-do-list-of-improvements-for-walder/#comment-65335</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cost escalation is a problem. On the other hand, the costs I cited for Tokyo are actual costs, after multiple escalations caused by the fact that the line in question was deep underground. In general, the rule mandating 25% contingency in the budget should be replaced by contingencies based on how much risk there is in construction. A cut-and-cover tunnel in known geography should incur fewer cost overruns than an underwater tunnel.

The SI-Manhattan tunnel doesn&#039;t even have to connect to the subway. I&#039;ve always envisioned it as connecting to commuter rail (Grand Central, one day, maybe - that would also support through-routing). Connecting to the subway is a problem because it&#039;d make the combined line too long; a combined 1-SIR route would be even longer than the A to Far Rockaway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cost escalation is a problem. On the other hand, the costs I cited for Tokyo are actual costs, after multiple escalations caused by the fact that the line in question was deep underground. In general, the rule mandating 25% contingency in the budget should be replaced by contingencies based on how much risk there is in construction. A cut-and-cover tunnel in known geography should incur fewer cost overruns than an underwater tunnel.</p>
<p>The SI-Manhattan tunnel doesn&#8217;t even have to connect to the subway. I&#8217;ve always envisioned it as connecting to commuter rail (Grand Central, one day, maybe &#8211; that would also support through-routing). Connecting to the subway is a problem because it&#8217;d make the combined line too long; a combined 1-SIR route would be even longer than the A to Far Rockaway.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/06/a-to-do-list-of-improvements-for-walder/#comment-65334</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 04:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I know Bloomberg&#039;s paying for the 7 extension. He should be paying for extensions that serve populated places instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I know Bloomberg&#8217;s paying for the 7 extension. He should be paying for extensions that serve populated places instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Building 11</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/06/a-to-do-list-of-improvements-for-walder/#comment-65333</link>
		<dc:creator>Building 11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as no. 1 is concerned--the city&#039;s paying for that, not the MTA.  That&#039;s Bloomberg&#039;s decision</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as no. 1 is concerned&#8211;the city&#8217;s paying for that, not the MTA.  That&#8217;s Bloomberg&#8217;s decision</p>
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		<title>By: rhywun</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/06/a-to-do-list-of-improvements-for-walder/#comment-65331</link>
		<dc:creator>rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 02:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, image IS important, and frankly the current web site doesn&#039;t look serious any more.

In concert with a web site redesign, I would add &quot;make a better subway map&quot;. The current one stinks. I know there&#039;s a huge fight between advocates of a &quot;geographical&quot; map versus those of a &quot;diagrammatic&quot; map--I don&#039;t want to get into that. But I do think there are some major defects in the current map that could be addressed regardless of the overall design. First, it&#039;s too big. Second, there&#039;s too much gratuitous detail, especially those bus boxes. Third--and this problem has never been adequately addressed--the routes (e.g. express vs. local) are just too confusing for the average person to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, image IS important, and frankly the current web site doesn&#8217;t look serious any more.</p>
<p>In concert with a web site redesign, I would add &#8220;make a better subway map&#8221;. The current one stinks. I know there&#8217;s a huge fight between advocates of a &#8220;geographical&#8221; map versus those of a &#8220;diagrammatic&#8221; map&#8211;I don&#8217;t want to get into that. But I do think there are some major defects in the current map that could be addressed regardless of the overall design. First, it&#8217;s too big. Second, there&#8217;s too much gratuitous detail, especially those bus boxes. Third&#8211;and this problem has never been adequately addressed&#8211;the routes (e.g. express vs. local) are just too confusing for the average person to understand.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott E</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/06/a-to-do-list-of-improvements-for-walder/#comment-65329</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 01:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#2 - The only potential problem with that is a ton of projects will be designed with lowball cost estimates, and then we&#039;ll get socked with the actual costs during construction.

#5 - This is LONG overdue. Could be some legal ramifications though.  Since the Staten Island Railroad connects to heavy-rail freight tracks, it falls under FRA rules, which are stricter than rapid-transit regulations.  If SIR is physically connected to the subway, some sort of waiver or other scheme may be needed to avoid upgrading the entire subway system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#2 &#8211; The only potential problem with that is a ton of projects will be designed with lowball cost estimates, and then we&#8217;ll get socked with the actual costs during construction.</p>
<p>#5 &#8211; This is LONG overdue. Could be some legal ramifications though.  Since the Staten Island Railroad connects to heavy-rail freight tracks, it falls under FRA rules, which are stricter than rapid-transit regulations.  If SIR is physically connected to the subway, some sort of waiver or other scheme may be needed to avoid upgrading the entire subway system.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/06/a-to-do-list-of-improvements-for-walder/#comment-65327</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 00:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few ideas:

1. Cancel the 7 extension.

2. Go over the contracts for subway construction and figure out why a kilometer of two-track subway in Manhattan costs the same as four kilometers in Tokyo and seven kilometers in San Francisco. Until a solution emerges, freeze all construction that can&#039;t be done under $500 million per km, which is twice the level of San Francisco. It may piss off Second Avenue interests right now, but in a year, when new contracts are tendered for one quarter the current cost, it&#039;ll make everything go a lot more smoothly.

3. Through-route commuter rail lines. It&#039;s okay if MNRR and the LIRR keep nominally separate corporate identities, as long as they as well as NJT can run trains on one another&#039;s tracks. Tokyo and Paris have through-routing on multiple agencies and companies&#039; lines, and so can New York.

4. Triboro. As in point #2, the MTA should not tender contracts unless they&#039;re at least of the same order of magnitude as anywhere else. Surface light rail construction typically costs $15-30 million per km; since Triboro is entirely on the surface, or in preexisting trenches, it should not cost any more.

5. Staten Island-Manhattan rail tunnel. It should cost about the same as the proposed Jersey-Brooklyn tunnel, $7.4 billion. It&#039;s a lot, but it can shave 10-20 minutes off the one-way commutes of Staten Islanders, and promote transit-oriented development instead of sprawl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few ideas:</p>
<p>1. Cancel the 7 extension.</p>
<p>2. Go over the contracts for subway construction and figure out why a kilometer of two-track subway in Manhattan costs the same as four kilometers in Tokyo and seven kilometers in San Francisco. Until a solution emerges, freeze all construction that can&#8217;t be done under $500 million per km, which is twice the level of San Francisco. It may piss off Second Avenue interests right now, but in a year, when new contracts are tendered for one quarter the current cost, it&#8217;ll make everything go a lot more smoothly.</p>
<p>3. Through-route commuter rail lines. It&#8217;s okay if MNRR and the LIRR keep nominally separate corporate identities, as long as they as well as NJT can run trains on one another&#8217;s tracks. Tokyo and Paris have through-routing on multiple agencies and companies&#8217; lines, and so can New York.</p>
<p>4. Triboro. As in point #2, the MTA should not tender contracts unless they&#8217;re at least of the same order of magnitude as anywhere else. Surface light rail construction typically costs $15-30 million per km; since Triboro is entirely on the surface, or in preexisting trenches, it should not cost any more.</p>
<p>5. Staten Island-Manhattan rail tunnel. It should cost about the same as the proposed Jersey-Brooklyn tunnel, $7.4 billion. It&#8217;s a lot, but it can shave 10-20 minutes off the one-way commutes of Staten Islanders, and promote transit-oriented development instead of sprawl.</p>
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		<title>By: James D</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/06/a-to-do-list-of-improvements-for-walder/#comment-65323</link>
		<dc:creator>James D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 20:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t advocate monthly updates. I&#039;d rather the MTA spent money on doing things rather than writing any more corporate non-news pieces.

And I&#039;d even be cautious about website redesign: the London experience is that this results in all sorts of useful documents disappearing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t advocate monthly updates. I&#8217;d rather the MTA spent money on doing things rather than writing any more corporate non-news pieces.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;d even be cautious about website redesign: the London experience is that this results in all sorts of useful documents disappearing.</p>
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		<title>By: When Road Rage Turns Into a Brawl - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>When Road Rage Turns Into a Brawl - City Room Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] app action. Some feel that freeing transit data for developers and overhauling the M.T.A. Web site should be on his priority list. [2nd Ave [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] app action. Some feel that freeing transit data for developers and overhauling the M.T.A. Web site should be on his priority list. [2nd Ave [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The website certainly shouldn&#039;t be the agency&#039;s overall number one priority, but it&#039;s a project that could get off the ground today. That&#039;s why I put it first. They don&#039;t have to do an environmental impact study. In fact, they don&#039;t have to do much of anything, and it would make an immediate impact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The website certainly shouldn&#8217;t be the agency&#8217;s overall number one priority, but it&#8217;s a project that could get off the ground today. That&#8217;s why I put it first. They don&#8217;t have to do an environmental impact study. In fact, they don&#8217;t have to do much of anything, and it would make an immediate impact.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 14:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right on.  there is a whole laundry list relatively cheap and easy improvements that don&#039;t require environmental imapct statements or billions of dollars.  all it takes is for someone in charge to really push to get things done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right on.  there is a whole laundry list relatively cheap and easy improvements that don&#8217;t require environmental imapct statements or billions of dollars.  all it takes is for someone in charge to really push to get things done.</p>
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