Comments on: Building a staircase at Cortlandt St.

By: Henry Man

Henry Man — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:09:19 +0000

Yes I did write that. I am the author of that particular article, I remember writing it 2 or 3 years ago. It was said then (and rather clearly) that it would be a OOS transfer. The rationale is (IMO), there will be an additional connection to the WTC station, which already hooks up with the 2 and 3 and the A and C. If there is going to be such a connection, why make this one free?

By: Henry Man

Henry Man — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:06:57 +0000

Incorrect.
The Dey Street Passageway will connect the Cortlandt Street station with the FSTC complex as supposedly an out of system transfer. HOWEVER, the MTA will arrange things with the Port Authority to build a transfer between the Cortlandt Street Station and the WTC E station. This connection will happen much later and will open later than the Dey connection.

This information was derived from recent MTA board presentations to the local community.

By: Henry Man

Henry Man — Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:59:40 +0000

Jerrold,
The Dey Street Passageway sub-grade infrastructure is substantially complete, however the above-grade infrastructure (including the headhouse) is waiting to be completed. It is anticipated that works on the headhouse will begin next year with an anticipated opening date of around Nov 2012. That translates as the entire passageway opening on that date.

If I recall correctly, the Dey Street Passageway will connect to a cross-under at the Cortlandt Street station. During the prolonged closure of the station, and repeated outages of the N/R/W lines in Lower Manhattan, a new level below the tracks was built. This will be apparent as there will be stairs linking to this level. The Dey Street Passageway should connect to a cross-under under the 4/5 lines under Broadway. This cross-under is expected to connect to the FSTC and should link directly to the Corbin Building.

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Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:09:34 +0000

[...] to MTA documents, the northbound platform itself will reopen in December, and the Dey St. connector should debut along with it. This morning, Matthew Denker sent me the [...]

By: Andrew

Andrew — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 23:29:45 +0000

Nope. Those transfers are only instituted as mitigation for lost connections due to reroutes and the like. The two that are in place now were both implemented in 2001 when the F was rerouted from 53rd Street to 63rd Street.

Especially when they’re in commercial areas, MetroCard transfers lead to substantial revenue loss, as people can make short-term round trips on a single fare (probably inadvertently in most cases).

By: Nathanael

Nathanael — Sat, 17 Oct 2009 23:57:22 +0000

Actually I think this is going to be one of those “Metrocard connections”. You will have to swipe again but will not have to pay a fare again.

That is the impression I got.

Apparently there was some strange desire to allow the Dey Street Passageway to be used by people coming from PATH without entering the subway system…. not sure why….

By: Streetsblog New York City » Today’s Headlines

Streetsblog New York City » Today’s Headlines — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 13:00:57 +0000

[...] Signs of Progress at Shuttered Cortlandt Street Subway Station (2nd Ave Sagas) [...]

By: AlexB

AlexB — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 03:36:44 +0000

It’s exciting to see some progress being made.

The Dey St passage will connect the R/W to the current Fulton St complex (as discussed.) I think the connection between the R/W and the E at WTC is a separate project that requires much less work. The R/W platform begins just beyond where the E platform ends (in the vicinity of Fulton St, not Dey St.) Is this right?

I remember reading an interesting proposal a couple years ago that would have built the Dey St passageway under Fulton St instead, permanently closed the Cortlandt stop, terminated R/W trains at City Hall, constructed a transfer between Park Place 2/3 and R/W City Hall, connected the E tracks to the current R/W tracks, and extended the E along the current R route into Brooklyn in place of the R. This would have provided all the same connections as the current plan, provided better service to Queens and Brooklyn riders, saved the MTA the cost of maintaining a station, and there would have been no conflicts with the Port Authority/WTC work.

By: rhywun

rhywun — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:29:53 +0000

Lame.

By: Benjamin Kabak

Benjamin Kabak — Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:23:37 +0000

Actually, I think I was wrong. The Dey St. Passageway will connect the R/W with the A/C/E/2/3 at Chambers/WTC/Park Place but the connection to Fulton St. will not be free.