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		<title>By: MTA approves TFL deal, but some Londoners object :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-66245</link>
		<dc:creator>MTA approves TFL deal, but some Londoners object :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Walder, as I reported last week, wants to bring some Transport for London consultants to New York to help modernize the MTA and improve its operational efficiencies. Yesterday, the MTA Board [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Walder, as I reported last week, wants to bring some Transport for London consultants to New York to help modernize the MTA and improve its operational efficiencies. Yesterday, the MTA Board [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machivelli</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-66085</link>
		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machivelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 14:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I apologize to their book keepers, it was my understanding that Murdoch&#039;s excellent world soccer channel paid for the perpetual losses on the Post.  At best though, that makes Ms. Gelinas, whose writing I actually admire, a Journalist, maybe even a Transit Journalist, though I think she is much more of a Columnist, certainly not a transit &quot;expert&quot;.  It is the MTA&#039;s tendency to kow-tow to such experts that has held back effective decision making just as much as their fear of interference from the Governor.  Buzz Passwell is an expert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize to their book keepers, it was my understanding that Murdoch&#8217;s excellent world soccer channel paid for the perpetual losses on the Post.  At best though, that makes Ms. Gelinas, whose writing I actually admire, a Journalist, maybe even a Transit Journalist, though I think she is much more of a Columnist, certainly not a transit &#8220;expert&#8221;.  It is the MTA&#8217;s tendency to kow-tow to such experts that has held back effective decision making just as much as their fear of interference from the Governor.  Buzz Passwell is an expert.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-66077</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 09:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The NY Post is actually profitable. In the Murdoch empire, the tabloids subsidize the high-brow papers like the Times, which Murdoch uses to make himself look more respectable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NY Post is actually profitable. In the Murdoch empire, the tabloids subsidize the high-brow papers like the Times, which Murdoch uses to make himself look more respectable.</p>
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		<title>By: Niccolo Machivelli</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-66069</link>
		<dc:creator>Niccolo Machivelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the farebox recovery ratio of the New York Post and the Manhattan Institute?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the farebox recovery ratio of the New York Post and the Manhattan Institute?</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-66007</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>London&#039;s problem is lack of government money. TfL is run with fewer subsidies than NYCT; among the major transit systems of the Western world, it has the highest farebox recovery ratio.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>London&#8217;s problem is lack of government money. TfL is run with fewer subsidies than NYCT; among the major transit systems of the Western world, it has the highest farebox recovery ratio.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-66006</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicole, you blamed the depth of the recession on rising state spending in Florida and Arizona, whose sin was to raise per capita spending by the same amount as New York and New Jersey and a little more than Texas. You can&#039;t on the one hand ask for more investment in transit and on the other attack government spending.

The wastes you warn of haven&#039;t happened yet. And there&#039;s no evidence they will. On the contrary: New York&#039;s contractors routinely spend several times as much on the same infrastructure as the contractors of Tokyo, or London, or LA. The burden of proof is on you to explain why bypassing the city&#039;s rent-seeking contractors is a bad thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicole, you blamed the depth of the recession on rising state spending in Florida and Arizona, whose sin was to raise per capita spending by the same amount as New York and New Jersey and a little more than Texas. You can&#8217;t on the one hand ask for more investment in transit and on the other attack government spending.</p>
<p>The wastes you warn of haven&#8217;t happened yet. And there&#8217;s no evidence they will. On the contrary: New York&#8217;s contractors routinely spend several times as much on the same infrastructure as the contractors of Tokyo, or London, or LA. The burden of proof is on you to explain why bypassing the city&#8217;s rent-seeking contractors is a bad thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-66001</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 20:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes.

I think it is great that Walder wants to improve bus service. But fixing bus service (countdown clocks, the equivalent of moving red-light cameras) is not that technologically challenging, nor does it appear, barring superior arguments forthcoming from the MTA, to require overseas expertise beyond what we&#039;re already getting from Walder.

Largely, it requires getting Albany people to allow buses to take precedent over car traffic; after that, the technology follows fairly simply. The way NOT to do this is to have people with British accents lecturing upstate political hacks who won&#039;t like it. 

Also, we cannot improve buses at the expense of much more expensive investment in subway service. Unfortunately, London has done exactly that -- shortchange the subways for years/decades.

The people in NY who are so excited that we may be getting a more British transit system clearly haven&#039;t spent much time in London. As Al notes, the subway service leaves much to be desired.

Right now, we need someone to fight fiercely in Albany, too, to keep the capital-intensive mega projects going so that we can finish things like the 2nd Avenue Subway, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
<p>I think it is great that Walder wants to improve bus service. But fixing bus service (countdown clocks, the equivalent of moving red-light cameras) is not that technologically challenging, nor does it appear, barring superior arguments forthcoming from the MTA, to require overseas expertise beyond what we&#8217;re already getting from Walder.</p>
<p>Largely, it requires getting Albany people to allow buses to take precedent over car traffic; after that, the technology follows fairly simply. The way NOT to do this is to have people with British accents lecturing upstate political hacks who won&#8217;t like it. </p>
<p>Also, we cannot improve buses at the expense of much more expensive investment in subway service. Unfortunately, London has done exactly that &#8212; shortchange the subways for years/decades.</p>
<p>The people in NY who are so excited that we may be getting a more British transit system clearly haven&#8217;t spent much time in London. As Al notes, the subway service leaves much to be desired.</p>
<p>Right now, we need someone to fight fiercely in Albany, too, to keep the capital-intensive mega projects going so that we can finish things like the 2nd Avenue Subway, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicole</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-65999</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 19:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I did not say that the contract shouldn&#039;t happen, but that the burden is on Walder to show, in great specifics, how it saves money. 

How could anyone disagree with that? 

Keep in mind: Smart-card technology is already proven, and has been implemented in places much closer to NY than London, including in Boston. The MTA, pre-Walder, has already done a study on this. 

Enforcement of dedicated bus lanes largely comes down to a matter of political will in Albany long before we have to deal with the technicals of how to mount the cameras, etc. 

Should we engage experts to advise on these projects on specific areas where we need help? 

Sure, but I&#039;m not sure why the rush to sign a contract of long duration rather than first agreeing to fly people over one-off and pay their expenses on an as-needed basis and see how it goes and what value they provide. 

Articles in any media a year from now about how TfL people flew back and forth business-class, stayed in fancy hotels, and ate in fancy restaurants are NOT going to help the public&#039;s support of reasonable mass-transit investment. 

To that end, advocates who are so desperate for someone to care about transit that they remove all skepticism do not in the end help transit.

As for drowning government -- the people who make such comments should explain why I pose a greater danger to sensibly higher mass-transit investment than does New York State&#039;s fraud-filled $50 billion Medicaid program.

Thanks, Ben, for posting the piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did not say that the contract shouldn&#8217;t happen, but that the burden is on Walder to show, in great specifics, how it saves money. </p>
<p>How could anyone disagree with that? </p>
<p>Keep in mind: Smart-card technology is already proven, and has been implemented in places much closer to NY than London, including in Boston. The MTA, pre-Walder, has already done a study on this. </p>
<p>Enforcement of dedicated bus lanes largely comes down to a matter of political will in Albany long before we have to deal with the technicals of how to mount the cameras, etc. </p>
<p>Should we engage experts to advise on these projects on specific areas where we need help? </p>
<p>Sure, but I&#8217;m not sure why the rush to sign a contract of long duration rather than first agreeing to fly people over one-off and pay their expenses on an as-needed basis and see how it goes and what value they provide. </p>
<p>Articles in any media a year from now about how TfL people flew back and forth business-class, stayed in fancy hotels, and ate in fancy restaurants are NOT going to help the public&#8217;s support of reasonable mass-transit investment. </p>
<p>To that end, advocates who are so desperate for someone to care about transit that they remove all skepticism do not in the end help transit.</p>
<p>As for drowning government &#8212; the people who make such comments should explain why I pose a greater danger to sensibly higher mass-transit investment than does New York State&#8217;s fraud-filled $50 billion Medicaid program.</p>
<p>Thanks, Ben, for posting the piece.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-65988</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 02:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be fair, please. Gelinas doesn&#039;t want to shrink government so that she can drown it in the bathtub. That&#039;s too messy and requires too much responsibility, putting it down and all. She&#039;d much rather just get bigger and bigger bathtubs until there&#039;s no escape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be fair, please. Gelinas doesn&#8217;t want to shrink government so that she can drown it in the bathtub. That&#8217;s too messy and requires too much responsibility, putting it down and all. She&#8217;d much rather just get bigger and bigger bathtubs until there&#8217;s no escape.</p>
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		<title>By: Al</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/10/23/walder-aims-to-bring-london-across-the-pond/#comment-65980</link>
		<dc:creator>Al</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 23:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can and will absolutely dispute that the there has been anything that looks like a transformation in London&#039;s transport system in the last decade.  

It is still, just as it was 10 years ago, extortionately expensive, closed for a handful of weeks every year, and shuts down at 11:30 in the evening.  It is still virtually impossible to get around London without a large reserve of money, time and patience.  Travelling with bags or children is more pain that it&#039;s worth, and if you&#039;re late finishing dinner, London&#039;s &quot;transformed&quot; transport network won&#039;t help you get home, even for the £169 ($277) a month - and that&#039;s not the at the top end of the fare scale.

There is a reason those of us who have lived there for any amount of time find driving is less painful, and almost cheaper.

The system signage certainly got a lot prettier under Jay Walder, there was a new logo, and I think they have podcasts now too.  The transit system is still part-time, unreliable and expensive.

There is nothing at all which I have observed in years of using both systems which New York&#039;s subways could beneficially inherit from London&#039;s.  Walder bringing his former co-workers from London to New York, at whichever cost, does not bode well for anyone who relies on the MTA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can and will absolutely dispute that the there has been anything that looks like a transformation in London&#8217;s transport system in the last decade.  </p>
<p>It is still, just as it was 10 years ago, extortionately expensive, closed for a handful of weeks every year, and shuts down at 11:30 in the evening.  It is still virtually impossible to get around London without a large reserve of money, time and patience.  Travelling with bags or children is more pain that it&#8217;s worth, and if you&#8217;re late finishing dinner, London&#8217;s &#8220;transformed&#8221; transport network won&#8217;t help you get home, even for the £169 ($277) a month &#8211; and that&#8217;s not the at the top end of the fare scale.</p>
<p>There is a reason those of us who have lived there for any amount of time find driving is less painful, and almost cheaper.</p>
<p>The system signage certainly got a lot prettier under Jay Walder, there was a new logo, and I think they have podcasts now too.  The transit system is still part-time, unreliable and expensive.</p>
<p>There is nothing at all which I have observed in years of using both systems which New York&#8217;s subways could beneficially inherit from London&#8217;s.  Walder bringing his former co-workers from London to New York, at whichever cost, does not bode well for anyone who relies on the MTA.</p>
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