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		<title>By: crist cannon</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/17/the-troubles-with-access-a-ride/#comment-70323</link>
		<dc:creator>crist cannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of 01-01-2009 i resigned my position as the Project Manager of one of Access A Ride Paratransit companies for shady practices such as, shootings, beatings, tampering with unions, illegal wage practices, tampering with safty equiptment, just to name a few. i have been approached by a book writers to tell the story which im still considering. but their is alot going on within the Access A Ride system. please note i have proof of all claims, and also have the contracts between the access a ride and the carriers. if anyone is interested in hearing the story feel free to contact me 718-916-6190</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of 01-01-2009 i resigned my position as the Project Manager of one of Access A Ride Paratransit companies for shady practices such as, shootings, beatings, tampering with unions, illegal wage practices, tampering with safty equiptment, just to name a few. i have been approached by a book writers to tell the story which im still considering. but their is alot going on within the Access A Ride system. please note i have proof of all claims, and also have the contracts between the access a ride and the carriers. if anyone is interested in hearing the story feel free to contact me 718-916-6190</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/17/the-troubles-with-access-a-ride/#comment-67004</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh.

Well, that&#039;s good to hear.  I actually didn&#039;t know that since, not being accessible, I&#039;ve never been in it before ;p.

Thank you :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh.</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s good to hear.  I actually didn&#8217;t know that since, not being accessible, I&#8217;ve never been in it before ;p.</p>
<p>Thank you <img src='http://secondavenuesagas.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/17/the-troubles-with-access-a-ride/#comment-66969</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not quite sure what you mean about the Columbus Circle station. It&#039;s undergoing some very extensive renovations right now, and I think the work is progressing as quickly as any MTA project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not quite sure what you mean about the Columbus Circle station. It&#8217;s undergoing some very extensive renovations right now, and I think the work is progressing as quickly as any MTA project.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/17/the-troubles-with-access-a-ride/#comment-66961</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:07:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I lived in NYC in 2002 and have been back regularly since then, and each time I&#039;m back they&#039;re closer to having done that.  Some important new stations include the re-built(ish) Atlantic-Pacific, W 4th St, etc.  Times Square accessibility coming online was basically the best thing ever - all transfers are possible there, Grand Central or Herald Square, except for the L and the J,M,Z and of course the G.  Bryant Park would make it even better.

When I was back in the city a couple weeks ago I gushed to my best friend how excited I was for the re-built Fulton St stations to come online - that will also help significantly.

What baffles me is why the Columbus Circle station isn&#039;t slated for quicker renovation.  That would seem to fill a need for more transfers available to 6 Av IND riders in particular.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lived in NYC in 2002 and have been back regularly since then, and each time I&#8217;m back they&#8217;re closer to having done that.  Some important new stations include the re-built(ish) Atlantic-Pacific, W 4th St, etc.  Times Square accessibility coming online was basically the best thing ever &#8211; all transfers are possible there, Grand Central or Herald Square, except for the L and the J,M,Z and of course the G.  Bryant Park would make it even better.</p>
<p>When I was back in the city a couple weeks ago I gushed to my best friend how excited I was for the re-built Fulton St stations to come online &#8211; that will also help significantly.</p>
<p>What baffles me is why the Columbus Circle station isn&#8217;t slated for quicker renovation.  That would seem to fill a need for more transfers available to 6 Av IND riders in particular.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathanael Nerode</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathanael Nerode</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;cheaper to provide $60/ride services rather than to &lt;b&gt;accelerate&lt;/b&gt; the process of rendering the majority of MTA subway stations accessible.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Emphasis mine.

I think this is clearly true.  While in the long run it&#039;s going to be cheaper to make the majority of subway service accessible, it would be absolutely prohibitive to accelerate the project.  Much more efficient to do it as the stations need to be rebuilt (due to decay, deferred maintenance, etc.) anyway.

However, since a *huge* portion of the NYC subway system *already* needs to be rebuilt, often long ago, any additional funding to do so would be really helpful, at least until every construction firm in the area is fully employed (at which point you will have reached a limiting speed of work).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>cheaper to provide $60/ride services rather than to <b>accelerate</b> the process of rendering the majority of MTA subway stations accessible.</p></blockquote>
<p>Emphasis mine.</p>
<p>I think this is clearly true.  While in the long run it&#8217;s going to be cheaper to make the majority of subway service accessible, it would be absolutely prohibitive to accelerate the project.  Much more efficient to do it as the stations need to be rebuilt (due to decay, deferred maintenance, etc.) anyway.</p>
<p>However, since a *huge* portion of the NYC subway system *already* needs to be rebuilt, often long ago, any additional funding to do so would be really helpful, at least until every construction firm in the area is fully employed (at which point you will have reached a limiting speed of work).</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 06:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Presumably, the MTA could mitigate the problem by trying to create a usable accessible transit system. This means it should spend money to install elevators not at every station, or even at the busiest stations, but at the stations that connect to the local bus system best. For example, two of the 125th Street stations are accessible; the MTA could make the other two accessible as well, and route one of the buses crosstown on 125th, creating an accessible bus-to-subway transfer for residents of Upper Manhattan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presumably, the MTA could mitigate the problem by trying to create a usable accessible transit system. This means it should spend money to install elevators not at every station, or even at the busiest stations, but at the stations that connect to the local bus system best. For example, two of the 125th Street stations are accessible; the MTA could make the other two accessible as well, and route one of the buses crosstown on 125th, creating an accessible bus-to-subway transfer for residents of Upper Manhattan.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/17/the-troubles-with-access-a-ride/#comment-66882</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 18:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nathan: I cannot imagine a single person who uses Access-a-Ride wants to.  The service in all cities is extremely slow, and you usually have to give wide windows for pick-ups.  It is a service of last resort.

Some examples of paratransit internationally include:
London - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tfl.gov.uk/modalpages/2669.aspx&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dial-a-Ride&lt;/a&gt;
Berlin - &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.vtu-berlin.de/index2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Telebus&lt;/a&gt;
Hong Kong: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rehabsociety.org.hk/rehabus.html?L=3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Rehabus&lt;/a&gt;

So, yeah, this is pretty much the international norm these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathan: I cannot imagine a single person who uses Access-a-Ride wants to.  The service in all cities is extremely slow, and you usually have to give wide windows for pick-ups.  It is a service of last resort.</p>
<p>Some examples of paratransit internationally include:<br />
London &#8211; <a href="http://www.tfl.gov.uk/modalpages/2669.aspx" rel="nofollow">Dial-a-Ride</a><br />
Berlin &#8211; <a href="http://www.vtu-berlin.de/index2.html" rel="nofollow">Telebus</a><br />
Hong Kong: <a href="http://www.rehabsociety.org.hk/rehabus.html?L=3" rel="nofollow">Rehabus</a></p>
<p>So, yeah, this is pretty much the international norm these days.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 16:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would like to add that some disabled people are unable to ride in cabs and therefore would not benefit from a livery-cab voucher program.

Nonemergency medical transportation is a big issue and access to medical care is a big issue; it doesn&#039;t help to have health insurance if you can&#039;t get to the hospital or clinic. 

I agree with Aaron, that it&#039;s a cost of civilization. I&#039;m sorry Nathan has had such bad experiences with Access-A-Ride, but I don&#039;t think that making ominous statements about &quot;transit collapse&quot; is adequate justification for getting rid of a program like AAR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to add that some disabled people are unable to ride in cabs and therefore would not benefit from a livery-cab voucher program.</p>
<p>Nonemergency medical transportation is a big issue and access to medical care is a big issue; it doesn&#8217;t help to have health insurance if you can&#8217;t get to the hospital or clinic. </p>
<p>I agree with Aaron, that it&#8217;s a cost of civilization. I&#8217;m sorry Nathan has had such bad experiences with Access-A-Ride, but I don&#8217;t think that making ominous statements about &#8220;transit collapse&#8221; is adequate justification for getting rid of a program like AAR.</p>
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		<title>By: nathan_h</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/17/the-troubles-with-access-a-ride/#comment-66874</link>
		<dc:creator>nathan_h</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it is a very expensive federally mandated program that, at the end of the day and bluntly stated, is simply a cost of being civilized&quot;

I appreciate your perspective, but I profoundly disagree that there is anything civilized about the access-a-ride operation. Theirs are some of the more aggressive drivers on the streets, roaring around with their 0 or 1 passengers and without much regard for any particular traffic boundary. Rather than a hallmark of civilization to me they represent the failure of our society to face liberal issues it claims to care about, but rather strap a giant engine to them and sleep soundly while this solution is out there literally killing people. This is the most barbaric way I can think of to be accessible.

How are major cities around the world meeting the needs of their populations? I know I haven&#039;t seen a monster like access-a-ride blowing down streets that aren&#039;t also clogged with Escalades. We&#039;re closer to transit collapse than we should ever be and we have to think differently—beyond our own shores—about how to run it. If we don&#039;t have a functioning public transit system, we certainly won&#039;t have the economy required to subsidize paratransit for anyone.

&quot;Even cities like LA, where the transit system was built after disability architectural standards were commonplace and is fully accessible to the disabled, still has a substantial population using paratransit for the above reason (the transit agency not being able to serve them under the ADA with regular fixed-route services).&quot;

This is convincing me that the ADA is irrevocably flawed, or our established interpretation of it. It seems to fail under the condition that, at the end of the day and bluntly, everyone would rather be driven around than ride the subway. This is not to make light of any disability, but to observe that people act in their own interests and that when their costs are equal they&#039;ll choose options that represent the most value (and cost to the public). If we don&#039;t have some kind of cynical, quota-driven government board judging people&#039;s abilities—and to me this sounds horrific—the only way to manage the supply of higher levels of service in a &quot;fully accessible&quot; system is to charge commensurately for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it is a very expensive federally mandated program that, at the end of the day and bluntly stated, is simply a cost of being civilized&#8221;</p>
<p>I appreciate your perspective, but I profoundly disagree that there is anything civilized about the access-a-ride operation. Theirs are some of the more aggressive drivers on the streets, roaring around with their 0 or 1 passengers and without much regard for any particular traffic boundary. Rather than a hallmark of civilization to me they represent the failure of our society to face liberal issues it claims to care about, but rather strap a giant engine to them and sleep soundly while this solution is out there literally killing people. This is the most barbaric way I can think of to be accessible.</p>
<p>How are major cities around the world meeting the needs of their populations? I know I haven&#8217;t seen a monster like access-a-ride blowing down streets that aren&#8217;t also clogged with Escalades. We&#8217;re closer to transit collapse than we should ever be and we have to think differently—beyond our own shores—about how to run it. If we don&#8217;t have a functioning public transit system, we certainly won&#8217;t have the economy required to subsidize paratransit for anyone.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even cities like LA, where the transit system was built after disability architectural standards were commonplace and is fully accessible to the disabled, still has a substantial population using paratransit for the above reason (the transit agency not being able to serve them under the ADA with regular fixed-route services).&#8221;</p>
<p>This is convincing me that the ADA is irrevocably flawed, or our established interpretation of it. It seems to fail under the condition that, at the end of the day and bluntly, everyone would rather be driven around than ride the subway. This is not to make light of any disability, but to observe that people act in their own interests and that when their costs are equal they&#8217;ll choose options that represent the most value (and cost to the public). If we don&#8217;t have some kind of cynical, quota-driven government board judging people&#8217;s abilities—and to me this sounds horrific—the only way to manage the supply of higher levels of service in a &#8220;fully accessible&#8221; system is to charge commensurately for them.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand the concept of ADA and providing access to public transit for all, but if the subways and buses become accessible, I am not sure continuing to provide Access-A-Ride is &quot;a cost of being civilized&quot;.  If someone in a wheelchair had to pay for their own cab or use a local bus, is that really so barbaric?  Perhaps as some sort of welfare measure, we could give taxi vouchers or major discounts to poor people who are handicapped.  Call me cruel, but I don&#039;t think it is the responsibility of government or society to provide 95% of the cost of transportation to someone because they are disabled, nor do I think that is required by ADA.  Maybe I&#039;m wrong about what ADA requires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand the concept of ADA and providing access to public transit for all, but if the subways and buses become accessible, I am not sure continuing to provide Access-A-Ride is &#8220;a cost of being civilized&#8221;.  If someone in a wheelchair had to pay for their own cab or use a local bus, is that really so barbaric?  Perhaps as some sort of welfare measure, we could give taxi vouchers or major discounts to poor people who are handicapped.  Call me cruel, but I don&#8217;t think it is the responsibility of government or society to provide 95% of the cost of transportation to someone because they are disabled, nor do I think that is required by ADA.  Maybe I&#8217;m wrong about what ADA requires.</p>
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