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		<title>By: In case of emergency, do not pull the emergency brake :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/24/how-the-police-responded-to-a-subway-murder/#comment-70237</link>
		<dc:creator>In case of emergency, do not pull the emergency brake :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 17:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to the scene of the crime and trapped innocent bystanders in a car with a killer. Either way, it made sense even if Transit officials urged riders to eschew pulling the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/24/how-the-police-responded-to-a-subway-murder/#comment-67171</link>
		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad Martinez pulled the cord. he did exactly the right thing. to quote dennis miller, I don&#039;t want to die &quot;because Gus saw a woodchuck&quot; but hell, sometimes you just gotta make that call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad Martinez pulled the cord. he did exactly the right thing. to quote dennis miller, I don&#8217;t want to die &#8220;because Gus saw a woodchuck&#8221; but hell, sometimes you just gotta make that call.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/24/how-the-police-responded-to-a-subway-murder/#comment-67163</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point.  What if the car were on fire.  I always thought the doors were to unlock too.  I know you NEVER pull the break in the event of a fire.  Worst thing would be to stop a car in flames in between stations.  I can&#039;t believe those doors were locked after the brake was engaged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point.  What if the car were on fire.  I always thought the doors were to unlock too.  I know you NEVER pull the break in the event of a fire.  Worst thing would be to stop a car in flames in between stations.  I can&#8217;t believe those doors were locked after the brake was engaged.</p>
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		<title>By: nyctaxiphoto</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyctaxiphoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 21:36:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at 2 am the time between trains is much harder to figure, so i doubt he took the f first. he probably got on the d at 34th street, and it took a few stops for an argument to escalate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at 2 am the time between trains is much harder to figure, so i doubt he took the f first. he probably got on the d at 34th street, and it took a few stops for an argument to escalate.</p>
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		<title>By: Stories from inside the D train come to light :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/11/24/how-the-police-responded-to-a-subway-murder/#comment-67149</link>
		<dc:creator>Stories from inside the D train come to light :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:44:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] with helping them secure the 53rd St. station following Dwight Johnson&#8217;s murder, officials warned against pulling the brake as it often delays emergency response teams. Anyway, Vincent Martinez&#8217;s story is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] with helping them secure the 53rd St. station following Dwight Johnson&#8217;s murder, officials warned against pulling the brake as it often delays emergency response teams. Anyway, Vincent Martinez&#8217;s story is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sammy Finkelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sammy Finkelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s more about the subway murder in both the New York Daily News (4/5 of page 5) and New York Post (70% of a a column or 14% of page 9) today. They amplify thjings, add details and correct some information.

First, Dwight Johnson was NOT instantly killed. What you could say maybe was that he was mortally wounded. (This reminds me of the person who was stabbed in the heart I think in Times Square, but he was rushed into I think St Vincent&#039;s Hospital - I think some kind of annex that&#039;s now been closed - where there just happened to be an operating room and surgeons and nurses ready for open heart surgery and he was conneceted to a heart lung machine and his life was saved. I don&#039;t know if it would have been possible to save Dwight Johnson&#039;s life had this taken place 15 seconds from a ready to go operating room and a extremely skilled surgeon.)

Anyway, the Daily News reports today, Johnson was actually screaming. He was screaming &quot;I&#039;m dying, I&#039;m dying&quot;. All this according to Vincent Martinez, the security guard who pulled the emergency break. Blood was coming out of his mouth and spraying out of his neck. Meanwhile, Geraldo Sanchez was following him, and he said: &quot;You should have let me sit down.&quot; (Earlier reports said that Johnson was found dead in his seat. Maybe that was a different seat than the one he had started at)

Everybody apparently backed away from Sanchez toward one end of the car (the front apparently) and Martinez was banging on the motorman&#039;s door, but he didn&#039;t react. 

&quot; I was banging and banging on the door to where the guy drives the train, but he didn&#039;t answer.&quot; says Martinez.

Apparently not getting the motorman&#039;s attention (although maybe the motorman was only following MTA rules not to take hs attention away from the controls or let anyone else into his cab) he pulled the emergency brake. He didn&#039;t want the stabber to simply walk out at the next stop. As far as he knew, the motorman was oblivious to what was going on.

So the train stopped. At that point the motorman looked out, and Martinez pusheed his way into the cab. And he said to him &quot;Some guy just got stabbed and he&#039;s bleeding all over the place.&quot; The motorman then told that you&#039;re not supposed to pull the emergency break and he should have just let the train go on.

The motorman radioed police. They told him to keep the doors closed when the train arrived in the station. It took him only about a minute to get the train train moving again. Martinez did not go ouy of the motorman&#039;s cab until the train arrived at the station.

Meanwhile (reported yesterday) Sanchez managed to get his knife outside the train and onto the tracks. When the police arrived he was standing around in the back with other passengers acting like nothing had happened. (I did something?)

Sounds like when Sanchez disposed of the knife the other passengers were no longer afraid of him and gotclose in order to gte closde to theh victim.

At some point paramedics arrived and tried to revive Johnson (with his brain circulation in shreds and having lost much blood?) but couldn&#039;t do anything. (As I said only maybe a fully prepped operating room, if anything, could have helped. They couldn&#039;t do anything for him there)

The police questioned everybody about the attasck. At that time, Martinez did not admit to pulling the emergency brake and not even to seeing anything. He says he was afraid of getting arrested (for pulling the emergency brake?) That&#039;s why the police report says an aunknown passenger pulled the emergency brake.

Mayor Bloomberg, probably as part of his instinct to defend whatever happens if it is done by somebody working for the city, defended closing the doors. &quot;If all the doors are open and everybody runs in every direction...you have a murderer back on the street...[That] doesn&#039;t make a whole lot of sense to me.&quot; The Daily News says he wsas defending pulling the emergency brake, but tht quote simply defends closing the doors. What would have hapepneed if he had not done so?

Martinez says that he saw the whole thing. Johnson did NOT throw a punch. It took only about ten seconds from when he was first asked to move his bag till when he was stabbed. Martinez says Sanchez pulled the steak knife from his pocket.

Meanwhile, the New York Post managed to contact an aunt of the killer, who is, at 45, only 8 years older than he is. She apparently didn;t know much about the situation - that he wass involved or maybe that anything had happened.

It quotes her as saying:

&quot;Oh, no, what did he do this time? Did he finally kill someone? I&#039;ve been afraid of that for a long time....He&#039;s been in and out of trouble most of his life. He was arrested a time or two when he was younger for starting fights.&quot;

The New York Post puts the number of riders in the car at the time of the stabbing as &quot;about 30.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s more about the subway murder in both the New York Daily News (4/5 of page 5) and New York Post (70% of a a column or 14% of page 9) today. They amplify thjings, add details and correct some information.</p>
<p>First, Dwight Johnson was NOT instantly killed. What you could say maybe was that he was mortally wounded. (This reminds me of the person who was stabbed in the heart I think in Times Square, but he was rushed into I think St Vincent&#8217;s Hospital &#8211; I think some kind of annex that&#8217;s now been closed &#8211; where there just happened to be an operating room and surgeons and nurses ready for open heart surgery and he was conneceted to a heart lung machine and his life was saved. I don&#8217;t know if it would have been possible to save Dwight Johnson&#8217;s life had this taken place 15 seconds from a ready to go operating room and a extremely skilled surgeon.)</p>
<p>Anyway, the Daily News reports today, Johnson was actually screaming. He was screaming &#8220;I&#8217;m dying, I&#8217;m dying&#8221;. All this according to Vincent Martinez, the security guard who pulled the emergency break. Blood was coming out of his mouth and spraying out of his neck. Meanwhile, Geraldo Sanchez was following him, and he said: &#8220;You should have let me sit down.&#8221; (Earlier reports said that Johnson was found dead in his seat. Maybe that was a different seat than the one he had started at)</p>
<p>Everybody apparently backed away from Sanchez toward one end of the car (the front apparently) and Martinez was banging on the motorman&#8217;s door, but he didn&#8217;t react. </p>
<p>&#8221; I was banging and banging on the door to where the guy drives the train, but he didn&#8217;t answer.&#8221; says Martinez.</p>
<p>Apparently not getting the motorman&#8217;s attention (although maybe the motorman was only following MTA rules not to take hs attention away from the controls or let anyone else into his cab) he pulled the emergency brake. He didn&#8217;t want the stabber to simply walk out at the next stop. As far as he knew, the motorman was oblivious to what was going on.</p>
<p>So the train stopped. At that point the motorman looked out, and Martinez pusheed his way into the cab. And he said to him &#8220;Some guy just got stabbed and he&#8217;s bleeding all over the place.&#8221; The motorman then told that you&#8217;re not supposed to pull the emergency break and he should have just let the train go on.</p>
<p>The motorman radioed police. They told him to keep the doors closed when the train arrived in the station. It took him only about a minute to get the train train moving again. Martinez did not go ouy of the motorman&#8217;s cab until the train arrived at the station.</p>
<p>Meanwhile (reported yesterday) Sanchez managed to get his knife outside the train and onto the tracks. When the police arrived he was standing around in the back with other passengers acting like nothing had happened. (I did something?)</p>
<p>Sounds like when Sanchez disposed of the knife the other passengers were no longer afraid of him and gotclose in order to gte closde to theh victim.</p>
<p>At some point paramedics arrived and tried to revive Johnson (with his brain circulation in shreds and having lost much blood?) but couldn&#8217;t do anything. (As I said only maybe a fully prepped operating room, if anything, could have helped. They couldn&#8217;t do anything for him there)</p>
<p>The police questioned everybody about the attasck. At that time, Martinez did not admit to pulling the emergency brake and not even to seeing anything. He says he was afraid of getting arrested (for pulling the emergency brake?) That&#8217;s why the police report says an aunknown passenger pulled the emergency brake.</p>
<p>Mayor Bloomberg, probably as part of his instinct to defend whatever happens if it is done by somebody working for the city, defended closing the doors. &#8220;If all the doors are open and everybody runs in every direction&#8230;you have a murderer back on the street&#8230;[That] doesn&#8217;t make a whole lot of sense to me.&#8221; The Daily News says he wsas defending pulling the emergency brake, but tht quote simply defends closing the doors. What would have hapepneed if he had not done so?</p>
<p>Martinez says that he saw the whole thing. Johnson did NOT throw a punch. It took only about ten seconds from when he was first asked to move his bag till when he was stabbed. Martinez says Sanchez pulled the steak knife from his pocket.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, the New York Post managed to contact an aunt of the killer, who is, at 45, only 8 years older than he is. She apparently didn;t know much about the situation &#8211; that he wass involved or maybe that anything had happened.</p>
<p>It quotes her as saying:</p>
<p>&#8220;Oh, no, what did he do this time? Did he finally kill someone? I&#8217;ve been afraid of that for a long time&#8230;.He&#8217;s been in and out of trouble most of his life. He was arrested a time or two when he was younger for starting fights.&#8221;</p>
<p>The New York Post puts the number of riders in the car at the time of the stabbing as &#8220;about 30.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike HC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike HC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Definitely.  For the sake of catching the murderer, pulling the break is the best way to go.  If the brake was not pulled, the chances are good the murderer would have slipped away for the time being.  While the odds are great that he would have been caught eventually, it would have taken a lot more time, money and manpower.

I doubt the murderer would have done something further once out of the train.  His only goal would be to get away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Definitely.  For the sake of catching the murderer, pulling the break is the best way to go.  If the brake was not pulled, the chances are good the murderer would have slipped away for the time being.  While the odds are great that he would have been caught eventually, it would have taken a lot more time, money and manpower.</p>
<p>I doubt the murderer would have done something further once out of the train.  His only goal would be to get away.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree Mike -- and my comments about the brake being pulled are not to support that decision (although, if it wasn&#039;t pulled, the train pulled into the next station, and all the doors opened because the conductor didn&#039;t know any better, the end result might have been worse.  The killer could have gotten free; boarding passengers might have tainted evidence, etc.)  Those intercoms on the R142s and newer are really a good idea - I wonder if old trains should be retrofit with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree Mike &#8212; and my comments about the brake being pulled are not to support that decision (although, if it wasn&#8217;t pulled, the train pulled into the next station, and all the doors opened because the conductor didn&#8217;t know any better, the end result might have been worse.  The killer could have gotten free; boarding passengers might have tainted evidence, etc.)  Those intercoms on the R142s and newer are really a good idea &#8211; I wonder if old trains should be retrofit with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott E</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if the end doors don&#039;t unlock when the emergency brake is pulled, when &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; they unlock?  I thought they were supposed to unlock &quot;automatically&quot; in an emergency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if the end doors don&#8217;t unlock when the emergency brake is pulled, when <i>do</i> they unlock?  I thought they were supposed to unlock &#8220;automatically&#8221; in an emergency.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike HC</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike HC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alls well that ends well, but I would never have pulled the brake.  What if this guy decided to just go crazy because he knew he was already fucked.  

It is surely easier and less expensive for the city if the murderer is trapped and handed on a silver platter for them.  For everyone else in that car and the safety of others, it was not a good idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alls well that ends well, but I would never have pulled the brake.  What if this guy decided to just go crazy because he knew he was already fucked.  </p>
<p>It is surely easier and less expensive for the city if the murderer is trapped and handed on a silver platter for them.  For everyone else in that car and the safety of others, it was not a good idea.</p>
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