Comments on: SAS Neighborhood Impact: Station Entrances

By: Along Second Ave., more complaints about auxiliary buildings :: Second Ave. Sagas

Wed, 01 Sep 2010 05:17:05 +0000

[...] faced their fair share of complaints as Upper East Siders have bemoaned entrances at 96th St. and 72nd St. as well as ventilation structures up and down the avenue. Yet again, the auxiliary structures are [...]

By: Nathanael

Nathanael — Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:21:20 +0000

Actually, the deep tunnelling may well be cheaper. Especially if you have to link into a deep tunnel anyway at the south end (which you do in this case).

Now as for the Phase 2 extension, from a cut-and-cover tunnel north to 125th street — the only reason to go deep there is to get under the Harlem River.

By: Nathanael

Nathanael — Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:19:50 +0000

Think about the two years delay from utility relocation in the Launch Box area.

Multiply by the *entire length of Second Avenue*.

That’s why they’re doing deep bored tunnels.

If you could get all the utilities under one roof (have the MTA buy Con Ed and Empire City Subway?) then you could make a masterplan and build a subway-utility combined line and benefit greatly. Like the Embankment in London. But that seems out of scope at the moment.

By: Second Ave. station entrance sagas hit 96th St. :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog

Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:43:06 +0000

[...] we’ve seen neighborhood groups object to just about everything. Some groups complained about the station entrances; others targeted the auxiliary ventilation [...]

By: Mike Nitabach

Mike Nitabach — Sat, 05 Dec 2009 22:55:07 +0000

The interesting converse to residential tenants’ view of entrances as attractive nuisances is the presumed view of commercial entities of entrances as point sources of business traffic.

By: rhywun

rhywun — Thu, 03 Dec 2009 03:48:55 +0000

Yeah, but it would theoretically be a lot faster than the deep tunnelling. If they threw enough workers at it, we’d have a SAS by now. Frankly, I don’t think quadupling or quintupling the price by deep tunnelling is worth it.

By: Alon Levy

Alon Levy — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:41:08 +0000

Because the MTA would rather make business life a living hell just near the stations rather than on all of Second Avenue.

By: Think twice

Think twice — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:48:11 +0000

Exactly.

By: Megaprojects and the Second Ave. Subway :: Second Ave. Sagas | A New York City Subway Blog

Wed, 02 Dec 2009 06:13:00 +0000

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By: rhywun

rhywun — Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:43:46 +0000

Meh. I’m still trying to figure out why they’re doing deep-tunnel boring instead of cut-and-cover–other than because “that’s the way we build subways now”.