Comments on: SAS Neighborhood Impact: Ventilation Structures http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/ A New York City Subway Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 16:16:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Along Second Ave., more complaints about auxiliary buildings :: Second Ave. Sagas http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-93434 Along Second Ave., more complaints about auxiliary buildings :: Second Ave. Sagas Wed, 01 Sep 2010 13:30:07 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-93434 [...] of complaints as Upper East Siders have bemoaned entrances at 96th St. and 72nd St. as well as ventilation structures up and down the avenue. Yet again, the auxiliary structures are coming under [...] [...] of complaints as Upper East Siders have bemoaned entrances at 96th St. and 72nd St. as well as ventilation structures up and down the avenue. Yet again, the auxiliary structures are coming under [...]

]]> By: Nathanael http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-68777 Nathanael Fri, 25 Dec 2009 04:15:13 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-68777 Wow. Gotta agree with all other commenters. The building should be wrapped with useful space at ground level. At the very least, advertising display windows; newstands are better, small stores better still. Why not put as much of the equipment as possible on the upper stories, put the core shafts in the middle of the building, and get some valuable commercial space out of the thing? Wow. Gotta agree with all other commenters.

The building should be wrapped with useful space at ground level. At the very least, advertising display windows; newstands are better, small stores better still.

Why not put as much of the equipment as possible on the upper stories, put the core shafts in the middle of the building, and get some valuable commercial space out of the thing?

]]> By: Steve http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-67417 Steve Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:25:07 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-67417 I agree with the other commenters that street space is too valuable to waste. More thought needs to go into creating dual use and better architecture. One small grammar quibble: "it’s big; it’s ugly; it’s windowless; it has lead to the eviction. . ." I think you meant "led." Lead (rhymes with red) is a metal. I agree with the other commenters that street space is too valuable to waste. More thought needs to go into creating dual use and better architecture.

One small grammar quibble: “it’s big; it’s ugly; it’s windowless; it has lead to the eviction. . .” I think you meant “led.” Lead (rhymes with red) is a metal.

]]> By: rhywun http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-67398 rhywun Wed, 02 Dec 2009 05:38:51 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-67398 Yeah, I was thinking "newsstands" too. Or small bodegas. Whatever--anything but a blank wall. Yeah, I was thinking “newsstands” too. Or small bodegas. Whatever–anything but a blank wall.

]]> By: Christopher http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-67393 Christopher Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:18:56 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-67393 While I'm not sure there's enough space for proper ground floor retail, maybe they could incorporate some things that would keep the space "alive", at least at ground level, but that have a small footprint. Some ideas: newsstands have a small footprint, and there is clearly demand already at these locations, more so when they are going to be right at a subway entrance. The operator doesn't need too much space inside, but could take advantage of extra display space on the exterior. Or how about an espresso shack? The folks in Oregon seem to have them all over, including one I remember in an old Photomat booth. Again, not much floor space needed, just some electricity and water. Or maybe one of those self-contained self-cleaning toilets? And yes, many of my neighbors here on the UES are cry-babies when it comes to what's going on with the SAS. Please feel free to ignore them. While I’m not sure there’s enough space for proper ground floor retail, maybe they could incorporate some things that would keep the space “alive”, at least at ground level, but that have a small footprint. Some ideas: newsstands have a small footprint, and there is clearly demand already at these locations, more so when they are going to be right at a subway entrance. The operator doesn’t need too much space inside, but could take advantage of extra display space on the exterior. Or how about an espresso shack? The folks in Oregon seem to have them all over, including one I remember in an old Photomat booth. Again, not much floor space needed, just some electricity and water. Or maybe one of those self-contained self-cleaning toilets?

And yes, many of my neighbors here on the UES are cry-babies when it comes to what’s going on with the SAS. Please feel free to ignore them.

]]> By: herenthere http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-67387 herenthere Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:55:23 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-67387 It's not too bad, maybe they should've added some stores or chosen a brighter different color than grey, but they don't exactly want to attract people's attention. They want it to blend in to nearby buildings without being too cost-prohibitive... It’s not too bad, maybe they should’ve added some stores or chosen a brighter different color than grey, but they don’t exactly want to attract people’s attention. They want it to blend in to nearby buildings without being too cost-prohibitive…

]]> By: herenthere http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-67386 herenthere Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:54:21 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-67386 Absolutely the smartest thing idea in Asia...especially in Hong Kong - the transit company there is one of the major management companies of the malls there. Linking an entrance to the subway directly into the malls means added convenience and revenue stream. Absolutely the smartest thing idea in Asia…especially in Hong Kong – the transit company there is one of the major management companies of the malls there. Linking an entrance to the subway directly into the malls means added convenience and revenue stream.

]]> By: Cap'n Transit http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-67385 Cap'n Transit Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:43:25 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-67385 No, because they're mostly cut-and-cover tunnels and have gratings in the street. These are deep bore tunnels, and as Kevin Ortiz of the MTA says in the quote above, "sidewalk grates now violate the city’s building code." No, because they’re mostly cut-and-cover tunnels and have gratings in the street. These are deep bore tunnels, and as Kevin Ortiz of the MTA says in the quote above, “sidewalk grates now violate the city’s building code.”

]]> By: Upper Green Side » Select Bus Service & the Second Avenue Subway http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-67383 Upper Green Side » Select Bus Service & the Second Avenue Subway Wed, 02 Dec 2009 00:16:40 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-67383 [...] from project team members and a discussion of the architectural finishes for the ventilation ancillary buildings. The people in attendance were most interested in the design of the ancillary buildings and [...] [...] from project team members and a discussion of the architectural finishes for the ventilation ancillary buildings. The people in attendance were most interested in the design of the ancillary buildings and [...]

]]> By: E. Aron http://secondavenuesagas.com/2009/12/01/the-sas-neighborhood-impact-ventilation-structures/#comment-67379 E. Aron Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:34:56 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4388#comment-67379 All points taken. So there are 8 ventilation units the size of a 4 floor building for every 3 miles of subway tunnels all throughout the city? All points taken. So there are 8 ventilation units the size of a 4 floor building for every 3 miles of subway tunnels all throughout the city?

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