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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69585</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not losing their temper - they&#039;re just trying to keep the train moving.  Holding the doors on a crowded rush hour train is rude and counterproductive to thousands of people - not just the people on the train you&#039;re trying to catch, but also to everybody waiting for that train down the line, and most likely to everybody on the train directly behind it waiting to get into the station, and possibly to everybody on the next train or two behind that one.

Once a train is delayed, any further delay only exacerbates the situation - as the delay grows, the platforms further down the line get more and more crowded, with more and more impatient people trying to cram onto the train they waited so long for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re not losing their temper &#8211; they&#8217;re just trying to keep the train moving.  Holding the doors on a crowded rush hour train is rude and counterproductive to thousands of people &#8211; not just the people on the train you&#8217;re trying to catch, but also to everybody waiting for that train down the line, and most likely to everybody on the train directly behind it waiting to get into the station, and possibly to everybody on the next train or two behind that one.</p>
<p>Once a train is delayed, any further delay only exacerbates the situation &#8211; as the delay grows, the platforms further down the line get more and more crowded, with more and more impatient people trying to cram onto the train they waited so long for.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69584</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  On trains with automated announcements, I&#039;ve found that conductors often don&#039;t bother to announce basic service changes or give proper information about delays.

I also find that the routine announcements are a bit long-winded.  At tourist-heavy stations where dwell times are going to be long anyway, they&#039;re fine.  But who needs to hear the full shpiel at each and every stop along the Culver line in the middle of the night?  Everybody knows where the train is going; it was better the old way, with a brief announcement (&quot;Bay Parkway next, stand clear&quot;) that doesn&#039;t wake up the neighborhood and allows for a short dwell.  And it&#039;s even worse when there&#039;s a service change and the computer shouts out the wrong information at each stop.

Those &quot;Ladies and gentlemen&quot; messages are completely gratuitous.  I wish they were all removed.  Most of the time they&#039;re used, the conductor should be making a personal announcement.  And then there are the conductors who kill time by playing 12 of them between express stops (or, worse yet, during a delay, when everybody on the train is already antsy) - they serve no purpose whatsoever except to irritate the passengers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  On trains with automated announcements, I&#8217;ve found that conductors often don&#8217;t bother to announce basic service changes or give proper information about delays.</p>
<p>I also find that the routine announcements are a bit long-winded.  At tourist-heavy stations where dwell times are going to be long anyway, they&#8217;re fine.  But who needs to hear the full shpiel at each and every stop along the Culver line in the middle of the night?  Everybody knows where the train is going; it was better the old way, with a brief announcement (&#8220;Bay Parkway next, stand clear&#8221;) that doesn&#8217;t wake up the neighborhood and allows for a short dwell.  And it&#8217;s even worse when there&#8217;s a service change and the computer shouts out the wrong information at each stop.</p>
<p>Those &#8220;Ladies and gentlemen&#8221; messages are completely gratuitous.  I wish they were all removed.  Most of the time they&#8217;re used, the conductor should be making a personal announcement.  And then there are the conductors who kill time by playing 12 of them between express stops (or, worse yet, during a delay, when everybody on the train is already antsy) &#8211; they serve no purpose whatsoever except to irritate the passengers.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69583</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 03:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The nominal lifespan is 40 years, I think.  Some cars last longer - the R32&#039;s are over 45 years old and they&#039;re still going strong, although they&#039;re probably going to be retired any day now.  It&#039;s rare for anything to be retired before 40 years.  Unless the R68 fleet suffers a major failure requiring an early retirement, old-fashioned announcements will still be around until the late 20&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nominal lifespan is 40 years, I think.  Some cars last longer &#8211; the R32&#8242;s are over 45 years old and they&#8217;re still going strong, although they&#8217;re probably going to be retired any day now.  It&#8217;s rare for anything to be retired before 40 years.  Unless the R68 fleet suffers a major failure requiring an early retirement, old-fashioned announcements will still be around until the late 20&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69563</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 23:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish the announcements were turned off. Its painful to hear the same crisp clear robot every ****ing day. With conductors, you could drown it out. With the robot voices you can&#039;t escape it. For disabled folks the MTA can use bluetooth or an small short range FM radio transmitter for announcements. The rest of us can just read the electronic sign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the announcements were turned off. Its painful to hear the same crisp clear robot every ****ing day. With conductors, you could drown it out. With the robot voices you can&#8217;t escape it. For disabled folks the MTA can use bluetooth or an small short range FM radio transmitter for announcements. The rest of us can just read the electronic sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Rhywun</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69448</link>
		<dc:creator>Rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 02:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I *hate* when they do that. Yelling at your customers is rude and counterproductive. I feel embarrassed when they lose their temper like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I *hate* when they do that. Yelling at your customers is rude and counterproductive. I feel embarrassed when they lose their temper like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott E</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69410</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott E</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 13:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is true, though I sometimes wish sometimes the conductors on those trains WOULD speak rather than hide behind the canned announcements.

Particularly, I found the #3 conductor who literally yelled at passengers (&quot;Stop being inconsiderate and step inside of the train! People need to get to where they&#039;re going!  If you can&#039;t fit on this train, take the next one!&quot;) much more effective than the #2 conductor who just keeps pressing the &quot;Ladies and gentlemen, for your safety please do not block the doors...&quot; button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is true, though I sometimes wish sometimes the conductors on those trains WOULD speak rather than hide behind the canned announcements.</p>
<p>Particularly, I found the #3 conductor who literally yelled at passengers (&#8220;Stop being inconsiderate and step inside of the train! People need to get to where they&#8217;re going!  If you can&#8217;t fit on this train, take the next one!&#8221;) much more effective than the #2 conductor who just keeps pressing the &#8220;Ladies and gentlemen, for your safety please do not block the doors&#8230;&#8221; button.</p>
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		<title>By: Kai B</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69397</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless something went wrong with the computer. Just this night I heard &quot;This is a Manhattan-bound L Train - The next stop is 3rd Avenue&quot; at 1st Avenue. But yes, overall that article was poorly researched.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless something went wrong with the computer. Just this night I heard &#8220;This is a Manhattan-bound L Train &#8211; The next stop is 3rd Avenue&#8221; at 1st Avenue. But yes, overall that article was poorly researched.</p>
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		<title>By: rhywun</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69391</link>
		<dc:creator>rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the weird speech patterns I hear make me smile (the mumblers, the shouters, the guy who drops every other word)... but overall I prefer the recordings, especially on an unfamiliar route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the weird speech patterns I hear make me smile (the mumblers, the shouters, the guy who drops every other word)&#8230; but overall I prefer the recordings, especially on an unfamiliar route.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69382</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also keep in mind you&#039;re not getting rid of conductor announcements altogether. Even if most of the announcements are automated, they can still come on to announce service changes or other announcements. Personally I don&#039;t really care who says the routine &quot;next stop is ___&quot; stuff. All I care is that I can hear it, and the automated announcements should be better for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also keep in mind you&#8217;re not getting rid of conductor announcements altogether. Even if most of the announcements are automated, they can still come on to announce service changes or other announcements. Personally I don&#8217;t really care who says the routine &#8220;next stop is ___&#8221; stuff. All I care is that I can hear it, and the automated announcements should be better for that.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Aron</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/07/behind-the-voices-transit-announcements/#comment-69381</link>
		<dc:creator>E. Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 23:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I miss the voices of 2 of the conductors on the F train. One would point out nearby attractions in Queens, the other sounded just like the great Bob Sheppard (or at least I thought he did). I will not, however, miss one of the guys who would repeatedly scream &quot;THIS IS THE F. THE F EXPRESS. THE F. THE F TRAIN TO MANHATTAN.&quot; Automated voices are a good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I miss the voices of 2 of the conductors on the F train. One would point out nearby attractions in Queens, the other sounded just like the great Bob Sheppard (or at least I thought he did). I will not, however, miss one of the guys who would repeatedly scream &#8220;THIS IS THE F. THE F EXPRESS. THE F. THE F TRAIN TO MANHATTAN.&#8221; Automated voices are a good.</p>
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