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		<title>By: Ahead of announcements on new cuts, hearing dates set :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ahead of announcements on new cuts, hearing dates set :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this afternoon, the MTA will unveil its reconfigured slate of service cuts. We&#8217;ve been waiting on these cuts for a while, and as news has trickled in, we know, for example, that express buses will be axed and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] this afternoon, the MTA will unveil its reconfigured slate of service cuts. We&#8217;ve been waiting on these cuts for a while, and as news has trickled in, we know, for example, that express buses will be axed and [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jan 2010 03:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most middle class New Yorkers don&#039;t have cars, and most of those who have cars don&#039;t drive those cars across the East River frequently.

A far more popular way for middle class New Yorkers to cross the East River is by subway.  Bridge tolls would provide a relatively stable funding source that would help ensure that the trains they ride continue to run.

When middle class New Yorkers do cross the East River, their time is often valuable.  In many cases, they would be happy to pay a few dollars if congestion is relieved as a result.  Some of them already use the tolled crossings, but the toll-free bridges are often more direct.  It doesn&#039;t make sense for them to go out of their way to drive to a tolled crossing just because it&#039;s likely to be less congested - just as it doesn&#039;t make sense for large numbers of drivers who aren&#039;t time-sensitive to take circuitous routes simply to avoid tolls.

Many middle class New Yorkers ride buses that get tied up in traffic leading to the toll-free bridges.  Those middle class New Yorkers would benefit from faster and more reliable bus service if there were bridge tolls.

Many middle class New Yorkers live and work near the toll-free bridges.  Bridge tolls would make their everyday lives more pleasant, safer, and healthier.

Finally, the toll-free bridges cost a lot to maintain.  Shouldn&#039;t those costs be borne primarily, or only, by the people who use them, rather than by class New Yorkers who never use them and may not even own cars?

But I guess your solution is to let the subway system shrivel up and die.  Then a lot more people will have no choice but to drive.  I suppose, as (obviously) a motorist, you must think that there isn&#039;t enough traffic congestion already, and that parking is way too easy to find.  You may have to wait in line several hours (on a good day!) to get through a chokepoint or to find a parking spot - but at least you save $5!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most middle class New Yorkers don&#8217;t have cars, and most of those who have cars don&#8217;t drive those cars across the East River frequently.</p>
<p>A far more popular way for middle class New Yorkers to cross the East River is by subway.  Bridge tolls would provide a relatively stable funding source that would help ensure that the trains they ride continue to run.</p>
<p>When middle class New Yorkers do cross the East River, their time is often valuable.  In many cases, they would be happy to pay a few dollars if congestion is relieved as a result.  Some of them already use the tolled crossings, but the toll-free bridges are often more direct.  It doesn&#8217;t make sense for them to go out of their way to drive to a tolled crossing just because it&#8217;s likely to be less congested &#8211; just as it doesn&#8217;t make sense for large numbers of drivers who aren&#8217;t time-sensitive to take circuitous routes simply to avoid tolls.</p>
<p>Many middle class New Yorkers ride buses that get tied up in traffic leading to the toll-free bridges.  Those middle class New Yorkers would benefit from faster and more reliable bus service if there were bridge tolls.</p>
<p>Many middle class New Yorkers live and work near the toll-free bridges.  Bridge tolls would make their everyday lives more pleasant, safer, and healthier.</p>
<p>Finally, the toll-free bridges cost a lot to maintain.  Shouldn&#8217;t those costs be borne primarily, or only, by the people who use them, rather than by class New Yorkers who never use them and may not even own cars?</p>
<p>But I guess your solution is to let the subway system shrivel up and die.  Then a lot more people will have no choice but to drive.  I suppose, as (obviously) a motorist, you must think that there isn&#8217;t enough traffic congestion already, and that parking is way too easy to find.  You may have to wait in line several hours (on a good day!) to get through a chokepoint or to find a parking spot &#8211; but at least you save $5!</p>
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		<title>By: The Doomsday Shuffle continues :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/13/waiting-for-the-official-list-of-service-cuts/#comment-69821</link>
		<dc:creator>The Doomsday Shuffle continues :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 17:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] morning, I noted how many who cover the MTA had made the faulty assumption that this year&#8217;s service cuts would mirror last year&#8217;s. Never mind that the agency had [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Sharon Silver</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/13/waiting-for-the-official-list-of-service-cuts/#comment-69767</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 05:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are clueless on this issue. The union has grabbed every increase in revenue at the mta since it&#039;s creation since the 1960&#039;s. Further killing middle class new yorkers with east river tolls will just give the unions and it&#039;s payed off albany leaders to not make the real cuts in the union contract. there are 5 different unions at the bus division alone which dictates how the service operates increasing costs by at least 10%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are clueless on this issue. The union has grabbed every increase in revenue at the mta since it&#8217;s creation since the 1960&#8242;s. Further killing middle class new yorkers with east river tolls will just give the unions and it&#8217;s payed off albany leaders to not make the real cuts in the union contract. there are 5 different unions at the bus division alone which dictates how the service operates increasing costs by at least 10%</p>
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		<title>By: Marc Shepherd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marc Shepherd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 17:15:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the moment, bridge tolls are probably not politically viable. The senators who blocked them before, would presumably block them again.

But if they were approved, even at the 11th hour, I think the MTA would promptly cancel or reverse the service cuts. The same thing happened last year, even though the rescue package took time to phase in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the moment, bridge tolls are probably not politically viable. The senators who blocked them before, would presumably block them again.</p>
<p>But if they were approved, even at the 11th hour, I think the MTA would promptly cancel or reverse the service cuts. The same thing happened last year, even though the rescue package took time to phase in.</p>
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		<title>By: Streetsblog New York City &#187; Today&#8217;s Headlines</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/13/waiting-for-the-official-list-of-service-cuts/#comment-69717</link>
		<dc:creator>Streetsblog New York City &#187; Today&#8217;s Headlines</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Second Ave Sagas: There&#039;s a Method to Seeming Madness of MTA Service Cuts [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Russell Warshay</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/13/waiting-for-the-official-list-of-service-cuts/#comment-69716</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Warshay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>East River tolls seems appropriate to me.  However, is it a politically viable option, and if so, could it be implemented in time to prevent service cuts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>East River tolls seems appropriate to me.  However, is it a politically viable option, and if so, could it be implemented in time to prevent service cuts?</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/13/waiting-for-the-official-list-of-service-cuts/#comment-69715</link>
		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So last year the subway service cuts &lt;a href=&quot;http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/30/inconvenient-service-cuts-dont-save-much-money/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;saved just $25.19 million&lt;/a&gt;, but the idea is to spread the pain around. If all seven agencies cut that amount, the MTA would save over $175 million. I think we&#039;ll see a similar menu of cuts across the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So last year the subway service cuts <a href="http://secondavenuesagas.com/2008/12/30/inconvenient-service-cuts-dont-save-much-money/" rel="nofollow">saved just $25.19 million</a>, but the idea is to spread the pain around. If all seven agencies cut that amount, the MTA would save over $175 million. I think we&#8217;ll see a similar menu of cuts across the board.</p>
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		<title>By: E. Aron</title>
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		<dc:creator>E. Aron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t remember the exact figures, but didn&#039;t the proposed service cuts reduce operating costs by only a fraction of the total budget gap? Isn&#039;t it abundantly clear that the MTA needs a new source of revenue, namely East River tolls and perhaps congestion pricing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t remember the exact figures, but didn&#8217;t the proposed service cuts reduce operating costs by only a fraction of the total budget gap? Isn&#8217;t it abundantly clear that the MTA needs a new source of revenue, namely East River tolls and perhaps congestion pricing?</p>
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