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		<title>By: East Side SBS to debut in October without separated lanes :: Second Ave. Sagas</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/15/a-plan-for-east-side-bus-service-but-the-wrong-one/#comment-81256</link>
		<dc:creator>East Side SBS to debut in October without separated lanes :: Second Ave. Sagas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2010 19:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the excitement over this rollout, however, I maintain that this BRT plan is still the wrong one for Manhattan. Glaringly absent are physically separated bus lanes. Instead of standard BRT-format [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the excitement over this rollout, however, I maintain that this BRT plan is still the wrong one for Manhattan. Glaringly absent are physically separated bus lanes. Instead of standard BRT-format [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Report: East Side shoppers want more transit :: Second Ave. Sagas</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/15/a-plan-for-east-side-bus-service-but-the-wrong-one/#comment-80127</link>
		<dc:creator>Report: East Side shoppers want more transit :: Second Ave. Sagas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 19:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the not-too-distant future, the MTA and NYC DOT will begin to install Select Bus Service routes along First and Second Avenues. As their plan to speed up bus service goes into effect, a small but vocal minority will complain [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the not-too-distant future, the MTA and NYC DOT will begin to install Select Bus Service routes along First and Second Avenues. As their plan to speed up bus service goes into effect, a small but vocal minority will complain [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Day Ender: Separated bus lanes for 34th St. :: Second Ave. Sagas</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/15/a-plan-for-east-side-bus-service-but-the-wrong-one/#comment-73561</link>
		<dc:creator>Day Ender: Separated bus lanes for 34th St. :: Second Ave. Sagas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] forth have included physically separated bus lanes. The 1st and 2nd Ave. Select Bus Service routes suffer from this flaw, and although DOT Commissioner Janette Sadik-Khan has long promised a true BRT network, she had not [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] forth have included physically separated bus lanes. The 1st and 2nd Ave. Select Bus Service routes suffer from this flaw, and although DOT Commissioner Janette Sadik-Khan has long promised a true BRT network, she had not [...]</p>
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		<title>By: New BRT-focused bus debuts in the Bronx :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/15/a-plan-for-east-side-bus-service-but-the-wrong-one/#comment-71284</link>
		<dc:creator>New BRT-focused bus debuts in the Bronx :: Second Ave. Sagas &#124; A New York City Subway Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 19:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] With the addition of this bus to the fleet, the MTA is moving ahead with its plans to support the bus system and make it more than the inconvenient transit step child. The low floors allow for faster street-level boarding and combined with the pre-boarding fare payment systems, should help speed up what can be painfully slow bus service. Now if only the city would propose those physically-separated bus lanes. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] With the addition of this bus to the fleet, the MTA is moving ahead with its plans to support the bus system and make it more than the inconvenient transit step child. The low floors allow for faster street-level boarding and combined with the pre-boarding fare payment systems, should help speed up what can be painfully slow bus service. Now if only the city would propose those physically-separated bus lanes. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/15/a-plan-for-east-side-bus-service-but-the-wrong-one/#comment-70086</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve ridden the 1 a lot, often timing it at different times of day to see if my initial impression that it averages 5 blocks per minute (i.e. 15 mph) is correct. My conclusions are,

1. North of 116th, as stops spread out, speeds can be quite high. Late in the evening, when the speed is the highest, it can go up to almost 7 blocks per minute. During the day in the off-peak, 6-6.5 is more common. I&#039;m not sure about peak.

2. South of 116th, 5 blocks per minute is rare. At rush hour, speeds go down to about 4 blocks per minute. Off-peak, 4.5-5 is more common. The 1 is crowded and has high dwells well into the night - it&#039;s often full at 11. Later, speeds go up to about 5.5 blocks per minute.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve ridden the 1 a lot, often timing it at different times of day to see if my initial impression that it averages 5 blocks per minute (i.e. 15 mph) is correct. My conclusions are,</p>
<p>1. North of 116th, as stops spread out, speeds can be quite high. Late in the evening, when the speed is the highest, it can go up to almost 7 blocks per minute. During the day in the off-peak, 6-6.5 is more common. I&#8217;m not sure about peak.</p>
<p>2. South of 116th, 5 blocks per minute is rare. At rush hour, speeds go down to about 4 blocks per minute. Off-peak, 4.5-5 is more common. The 1 is crowded and has high dwells well into the night &#8211; it&#8217;s often full at 11. Later, speeds go up to about 5.5 blocks per minute.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/15/a-plan-for-east-side-bus-service-but-the-wrong-one/#comment-70085</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 07:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A traffic signal priority system in cities that do it right, i.e. none in North America, does guarantee the light will (almost) always be green for the bus. It turns a red light green, breaking the usual stop cycle; this makes buses faster at the expense of green waves for cars. And yes, Monaco has signalized intersections at short intervals in many parts.

(If you want another example: Toronto more or less gets signal priority right on its streetcars, even at Manhattan block density. The problem with Toronto&#039;s signal priority is that if there&#039;s a station right before an intersection, the light will turn green as the train pulls into the station, which may make it red as the train pulls out.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A traffic signal priority system in cities that do it right, i.e. none in North America, does guarantee the light will (almost) always be green for the bus. It turns a red light green, breaking the usual stop cycle; this makes buses faster at the expense of green waves for cars. And yes, Monaco has signalized intersections at short intervals in many parts.</p>
<p>(If you want another example: Toronto more or less gets signal priority right on its streetcars, even at Manhattan block density. The problem with Toronto&#8217;s signal priority is that if there&#8217;s a station right before an intersection, the light will turn green as the train pulls into the station, which may make it red as the train pulls out.)</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it stops too infrequently, nobody&#039;s going to ride it, since it won&#039;t go where anyone wants to go.  There&#039;s a balance that needs to be reached.

Signal priority is not absolute.  The bus will still be stopping for red lights.  I doubt it will average 15 mph.

And not many people ride a local like the 1 for long distances when an express is available.  The 1 has easy transfers to the express and to plenty of intersecting lines.  The M15, unfortunately, is too far east to intersect with any subway stations north of 14th Street - while I could see it included in the subway map, it&#039;s really far better integrated with the bus system.

Also, bear in mind that scheduled running times on lots of subway lines (I don&#039;t know about the 1 specifically) have been increased in the past few years.  (Howard Roberts placed great emphasis on on-time performance.)  Your 15 mph calculation may include a bunch of padding.  You may want to recalculate based on a schedule from a few years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it stops too infrequently, nobody&#8217;s going to ride it, since it won&#8217;t go where anyone wants to go.  There&#8217;s a balance that needs to be reached.</p>
<p>Signal priority is not absolute.  The bus will still be stopping for red lights.  I doubt it will average 15 mph.</p>
<p>And not many people ride a local like the 1 for long distances when an express is available.  The 1 has easy transfers to the express and to plenty of intersecting lines.  The M15, unfortunately, is too far east to intersect with any subway stations north of 14th Street &#8211; while I could see it included in the subway map, it&#8217;s really far better integrated with the bus system.</p>
<p>Also, bear in mind that scheduled running times on lots of subway lines (I don&#8217;t know about the 1 specifically) have been increased in the past few years.  (Howard Roberts placed great emphasis on on-time performance.)  Your 15 mph calculation may include a bunch of padding.  You may want to recalculate based on a schedule from a few years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 03:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monaco has 20 signalized intersections per mile?

Traffic signal priority is always based on communication between the bus and the signal system - the timed system in New York covers all vehicular traffic, and it happens to do a decent job on limited bus lines.  But traffic signal priority usually doesn&#039;t &lt;i&gt;guarantee&lt;/i&gt; that the light will &lt;i&gt;always&lt;/i&gt; be green for a bus (that would completely destroy cross traffic, including other buses, including pedestrians waiting to cross the street to reach the bus stop on the other side) - it merely gives the bus a bit of extra priority, perhaps extending a green light that was about to turn yellow, maybe turning a red light green a few seconds early.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monaco has 20 signalized intersections per mile?</p>
<p>Traffic signal priority is always based on communication between the bus and the signal system &#8211; the timed system in New York covers all vehicular traffic, and it happens to do a decent job on limited bus lines.  But traffic signal priority usually doesn&#8217;t <i>guarantee</i> that the light will <i>always</i> be green for a bus (that would completely destroy cross traffic, including other buses, including pedestrians waiting to cross the street to reach the bus stop on the other side) &#8211; it merely gives the bus a bit of extra priority, perhaps extending a green light that was about to turn yellow, maybe turning a red light green a few seconds early.</p>
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		<title>By: Alon Levy</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/01/15/a-plan-for-east-side-bus-service-but-the-wrong-one/#comment-70076</link>
		<dc:creator>Alon Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monaco has absolute signal priority without BRT, on two-way traffic, with blocks that can be very short. Manhattan actually has one advantage over Monaco: its blocks are all the same length, which makes it easier to do signal timing.

But anyway, good signal priority is based on communication between the bus and the signal system, not on timed signals. A bus in Monaco automatically turns the light ahead of it green, even when it&#039;s off-schedule (which happens a lot - Monaco isn&#039;t Tokyo and buses aren&#039;t trains).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monaco has absolute signal priority without BRT, on two-way traffic, with blocks that can be very short. Manhattan actually has one advantage over Monaco: its blocks are all the same length, which makes it easier to do signal timing.</p>
<p>But anyway, good signal priority is based on communication between the bus and the signal system, not on timed signals. A bus in Monaco automatically turns the light ahead of it green, even when it&#8217;s off-schedule (which happens a lot &#8211; Monaco isn&#8217;t Tokyo and buses aren&#8217;t trains).</p>
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		<title>By: AlexB</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, bad math.  The 4 is more like 23 miles per hour.  Also, the 6 is 16 miles per hour, 125th to City Hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, bad math.  The 4 is more like 23 miles per hour.  Also, the 6 is 16 miles per hour, 125th to City Hall.</p>
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