Comments on: Countdown clock rollout continues in the Bronx http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/ A New York City Subway Blog Mon, 13 Feb 2012 18:23:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: jay http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-192810 jay Tue, 12 Apr 2011 01:42:32 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-192810 when will they put the countdown clocks on the 2 and 5 line? when will they put the countdown clocks on the 2 and 5 line?

]]> By: Along the B division, a cheaper countdown clock :: Second Ave. Sagas http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-77346 Along the B division, a cheaper countdown clock :: Second Ave. Sagas Mon, 26 Apr 2010 06:04:48 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-77346 [...] deployed along the A Division lines, riders will receive less detailed information than the signs currently in place in the Bronx [...] [...] deployed along the A Division lines, riders will receive less detailed information than the signs currently in place in the Bronx [...]

]]> By: FEB. Newsletter | New Yorkers for Safe Transit NYFST http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-72281 FEB. Newsletter | New Yorkers for Safe Transit NYFST Tue, 16 Feb 2010 02:09:38 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-72281 [...] Countdown clock rollout continues in the Bronx – Second Avenue Sagas 2/2/10 The countdown clock rollout along the MTA’s A Division stations continued this past weekend as two more stops along the 6 line in the Bronx are now enjoying the real-time train arrival message screens. [Read More] [...] [...] Countdown clock rollout continues in the Bronx – Second Avenue Sagas 2/2/10 The countdown clock rollout along the MTA’s A Division stations continued this past weekend as two more stops along the 6 line in the Bronx are now enjoying the real-time train arrival message screens. [Read More] [...]

]]> By: Andrew http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-71361 Andrew Wed, 03 Feb 2010 12:19:05 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-71361 As others have already stated, there are signs at the entrances, outside the turnstiles. The same applies at some (although apparently not all) stations on the L. The second line alternates between the second and third train. That's why the lines are numbered. As others have already stated, there are signs at the entrances, outside the turnstiles. The same applies at some (although apparently not all) stations on the L.

The second line alternates between the second and third train. That’s why the lines are numbered.

]]> By: momos http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-71338 momos Wed, 03 Feb 2010 05:18:33 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-71338 Great project, but after all that work on signaling the signage is low quality. Two changes are needed: -Place additional signs at STATION ENTRANCES so people can decide whether to take the train BEFORE swiping their Metrocards and going through the turnstiles, when it's basically too late to go back. -Make signage as CLEAR and CONCISE as possible. The numbers "1" and "2" may cause confusion among city visitors who will think the signs are reporting about trains on the Number 1 and 2 lines, not the 4,5,6. Also, those arrows are unhelpful. Get rid of them. Great project, but after all that work on signaling the signage is low quality. Two changes are needed:

-Place additional signs at STATION ENTRANCES so people can decide whether to take the train BEFORE swiping their Metrocards and going through the turnstiles, when it’s basically too late to go back.

-Make signage as CLEAR and CONCISE as possible. The numbers “1″ and “2″ may cause confusion among city visitors who will think the signs are reporting about trains on the Number 1 and 2 lines, not the 4,5,6. Also, those arrows are unhelpful. Get rid of them.

]]> By: Kai B http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-71301 Kai B Tue, 02 Feb 2010 21:25:27 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-71301 Some stations on the L do have signs before the turnstiles. Too bad that some are apparently excluded. Some stations on the L do have signs before the turnstiles. Too bad that some are apparently excluded.

]]> By: AK http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-71267 AK Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:12:50 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-71267 Indeed, it is a capital expense, which, like you, I take pains to guard from those who would raid it for operations. I just happen to believe that the $200 million can be put to far better use in the capital plan than via the introduction of clocks. In fact, even if we assumed (and this is a big assumption), that we are getting a "good deal" on the clocks, I would still redirect the money to other, more pressing capital needs that would improve the user experience more than clocks. For example, I would rather see the money spent on speeding up the Metrocard-->Oystercard transition or as a partial payment for a station at 41st and 10th on the 7 extension. Indeed, it is a capital expense, which, like you, I take pains to guard from those who would raid it for operations. I just happen to believe that the $200 million can be put to far better use in the capital plan than via the introduction of clocks.

In fact, even if we assumed (and this is a big assumption), that we are getting a “good deal” on the clocks, I would still redirect the money to other, more pressing capital needs that would improve the user experience more than clocks. For example, I would rather see the money spent on speeding up the Metrocard–>Oystercard transition or as a partial payment for a station at 41st and 10th on the 7 extension.

]]> By: Jeffrey J. Early http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-71266 Jeffrey J. Early Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:08:36 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-71266 Thanks AK -- you found a good source clarifying the issue. Thanks AK — you found a good source clarifying the issue.

]]> By: Jeffrey J. Early http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-71265 Jeffrey J. Early Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:07:19 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-71265 It's not clear that the oft-cited $200 million figure is actually just about the clocks; I think it's the whole ATS-A system (of which the clocks are just a small part). According to the <a href="http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/cadiv/segb/views/document/sections/Section8/8_5_1.htm" rel="nofollow">systems engineer guidebook</a>, the major parts of the upgrade are to the real time tracking, the communications, and the new Rail Control Center. My guess is that when this story is typically picked up by news outlets, they only focus on the <strong>component</strong> the public will see, yet cite the bill for <strong>all</strong> the upgrades. It’s not clear that the oft-cited $200 million figure is actually just about the clocks; I think it’s the whole ATS-A system (of which the clocks are just a small part). According to the systems engineer guidebook, the major parts of the upgrade are to the real time tracking, the communications, and the new Rail Control Center. My guess is that when this story is typically picked up by news outlets, they only focus on the component the public will see, yet cite the bill for all the upgrades.

]]> By: Benjamin Kabak http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/01/countdown-clock-rollout-continues-in-the-bronx/#comment-71264 Benjamin Kabak Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:06:19 +0000 http://secondavenuesagas.com/?p=4978#comment-71264 I know the cost seems steep, but it's a capital expense, not an operating one. This money was already there because it was guaranteed in the 2005-2009 five-year capital plan, and the $200 million represents approximately 1 percent of the spending from that plan. Does that change your view of the clocks? I know the cost seems steep, but it’s a capital expense, not an operating one. This money was already there because it was guaranteed in the 2005-2009 five-year capital plan, and the $200 million represents approximately 1 percent of the spending from that plan. Does that change your view of the clocks?

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