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		<title>By: rhywun</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/08/bloomberg-no-free-rides-for-anyone/#comment-71732</link>
		<dc:creator>rhywun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, but contracts expire and need to be re-negotiated. What are the chances the city will demand concessions next time around? I&#039;m going to guess roughly &quot;0%&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but contracts expire and need to be re-negotiated. What are the chances the city will demand concessions next time around? I&#8217;m going to guess roughly &#8220;0%&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/08/bloomberg-no-free-rides-for-anyone/#comment-71722</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what I was wondering too - how many retirees stay within the 5 boroughs after they retiree?  How many of this subset commute daily, and how many of them are traveling during morning rush hour?  The cost here has to be weighed against the cost of breach of contract, and also the cost of goodwill.  I can&#039;t imagine this is going to be a huge revenue source for the agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what I was wondering too &#8211; how many retirees stay within the 5 boroughs after they retiree?  How many of this subset commute daily, and how many of them are traveling during morning rush hour?  The cost here has to be weighed against the cost of breach of contract, and also the cost of goodwill.  I can&#8217;t imagine this is going to be a huge revenue source for the agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 07:33:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In general, I go pretty easy on the MTA when it comes to accessibility.  After all, it is a very old system.  Having said that, I would very much resent paying full price for a system that didn&#039;t provide anything close to full service.  E.g.: There is are only two accessible subway stations on the entire UWS, and they&#039;re right next to each other (66th and 72nd on the IRT).  There are no accessible subway stations on the UES, unless you count Lex/63rd.  There are no accessible stations in Park Slope or even nearby; in fact, most of Brooklyn is off limits, save for Downtown, Prospect Heights and Crown Heights.  The G train, when pared back to 23rd/Ely (which isn&#039;t accessible) will have only one accessible station, on the temporary extension to Church Ave - a true train to nowhere.

On top of that, tourists are, for all practical purposes, unable to obtain Autogate MetroCards (it&#039;s technically possible but extremely difficult - I go to herculean efforts to keep mine up-to-date now that I&#039;m living on the West Coast), which wreaks havoc at stations that are accessible but lack staffing due to MTA cutbacks.  Although many cities, if not all, have disability pricing, only New York restricts its wheelchair-accessible gates to people who have gone through a medical assessment process.  When I lived in NYC the first time, in &#039;02, without knowing anything about the Autogates beforehand, I went to Borough Hall and basically begged them to issue me an autogate card because of inability to use the gates (I am very visibly disabled, in a wheelchair and missing a leg), but they still wouldn&#039;t.

Ben&#039;s recent post describes the connection between the IND 6th Av and the Lex IRT being rebuilt, noting that it&#039;s the only connection between the two in Manhattan.  For wheelchair users, that connection is entirely inaccessible, and every time I&#039;ve been in New York, a trip from the 6th Av IND to the East Side always involves 3 trains.  I&#039;ve occasionally even had to detour in and out of another borough to get an accessible transfer, before Times Square became accessible.

So yeah, I would very much resent being asked to pay the full fare.  The disabled fare should, of course, increase in a way that tracks the full fare, but wheelchair users in NYC receive far less service than they pay for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In general, I go pretty easy on the MTA when it comes to accessibility.  After all, it is a very old system.  Having said that, I would very much resent paying full price for a system that didn&#8217;t provide anything close to full service.  E.g.: There is are only two accessible subway stations on the entire UWS, and they&#8217;re right next to each other (66th and 72nd on the IRT).  There are no accessible subway stations on the UES, unless you count Lex/63rd.  There are no accessible stations in Park Slope or even nearby; in fact, most of Brooklyn is off limits, save for Downtown, Prospect Heights and Crown Heights.  The G train, when pared back to 23rd/Ely (which isn&#8217;t accessible) will have only one accessible station, on the temporary extension to Church Ave &#8211; a true train to nowhere.</p>
<p>On top of that, tourists are, for all practical purposes, unable to obtain Autogate MetroCards (it&#8217;s technically possible but extremely difficult &#8211; I go to herculean efforts to keep mine up-to-date now that I&#8217;m living on the West Coast), which wreaks havoc at stations that are accessible but lack staffing due to MTA cutbacks.  Although many cities, if not all, have disability pricing, only New York restricts its wheelchair-accessible gates to people who have gone through a medical assessment process.  When I lived in NYC the first time, in &#8217;02, without knowing anything about the Autogates beforehand, I went to Borough Hall and basically begged them to issue me an autogate card because of inability to use the gates (I am very visibly disabled, in a wheelchair and missing a leg), but they still wouldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Ben&#8217;s recent post describes the connection between the IND 6th Av and the Lex IRT being rebuilt, noting that it&#8217;s the only connection between the two in Manhattan.  For wheelchair users, that connection is entirely inaccessible, and every time I&#8217;ve been in New York, a trip from the 6th Av IND to the East Side always involves 3 trains.  I&#8217;ve occasionally even had to detour in and out of another borough to get an accessible transfer, before Times Square became accessible.</p>
<p>So yeah, I would very much resent being asked to pay the full fare.  The disabled fare should, of course, increase in a way that tracks the full fare, but wheelchair users in NYC receive far less service than they pay for.</p>
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		<title>By: aestrivex</title>
		<link>http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/02/08/bloomberg-no-free-rides-for-anyone/#comment-71671</link>
		<dc:creator>aestrivex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 18:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i find bloomberg&#039;s criticism to be at least on some level valid (given the current financial meltdown of the MTA), though entirely an unrelated issue from student rides, which the city should fund.

i think it&#039;s completely fair for employees as a retirement benefit to have free rides, but i also find it a valid point that if so much of the entirety of the system is up on the chopping block, then perhaps benefits of that kind should be, as well.

the issue, as i see it, is that those retired workers who get free rides were promised them as part of their retirement -- to retract them now would be going back on that agreement.  the same applies for the MTA&#039;s bloated pensioning obligations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i find bloomberg&#8217;s criticism to be at least on some level valid (given the current financial meltdown of the MTA), though entirely an unrelated issue from student rides, which the city should fund.</p>
<p>i think it&#8217;s completely fair for employees as a retirement benefit to have free rides, but i also find it a valid point that if so much of the entirety of the system is up on the chopping block, then perhaps benefits of that kind should be, as well.</p>
<p>the issue, as i see it, is that those retired workers who get free rides were promised them as part of their retirement &#8212; to retract them now would be going back on that agreement.  the same applies for the MTA&#8217;s bloated pensioning obligations.</p>
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		<title>By: nycpat</title>
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		<dc:creator>nycpat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 17:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NYCT workers, unlike LIRR and MNRR, are civil servants. You can&#039;t just tell them; &quot;Those benefits we owe you? That you&#039;ve spent years working for? We&#039;re not going to give them to you.&quot; How come you say nothing about the interest on the debt MTA owes. What is it now 15% percent of the budget slated to go higher? Of course they&#039;re obligated to pay that, just like civil service benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NYCT workers, unlike LIRR and MNRR, are civil servants. You can&#8217;t just tell them; &#8220;Those benefits we owe you? That you&#8217;ve spent years working for? We&#8217;re not going to give them to you.&#8221; How come you say nothing about the interest on the debt MTA owes. What is it now 15% percent of the budget slated to go higher? Of course they&#8217;re obligated to pay that, just like civil service benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Littlefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Littlefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Unlike everywhere else, the local school board (here the NYC Department of Education) refuses to fund student travel to school.&quot;

Actually, state aid pays for most school transportation elsewhere, and NYC gets very little of that money.  The state decided to have the MTA go into debt instead.

Perhaps what Bloomberg ought to be saying (given the state deficit) is the state should cut all school transportation money, not just money for NYC, and all municipal aid, not just municipal aid for NYC, and the whole STAR program, not just the STAR income tax relief for NYC.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Unlike everywhere else, the local school board (here the NYC Department of Education) refuses to fund student travel to school.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, state aid pays for most school transportation elsewhere, and NYC gets very little of that money.  The state decided to have the MTA go into debt instead.</p>
<p>Perhaps what Bloomberg ought to be saying (given the state deficit) is the state should cut all school transportation money, not just money for NYC, and all municipal aid, not just municipal aid for NYC, and the whole STAR program, not just the STAR income tax relief for NYC.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerrold</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerrold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope you&#039;re right!

I seem to remember that New York pioneered that concept, in 1969 or 1970, under the Lindsay administration.  It was for senior citizens only, and it was probably not yet a Federal mandate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope you&#8217;re right!</p>
<p>I seem to remember that New York pioneered that concept, in 1969 or 1970, under the Lindsay administration.  It was for senior citizens only, and it was probably not yet a Federal mandate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason A</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 15:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Bloomberg should be asking the question.  While the TWA workers are paid well, their other benefits are extravagant.  They get a very generous pension, full healthcare, free transit, and I am sure there are a bunch of other benefits that I am not even aware of.  If these were brought in line with private sector jobs, I wonder if the MTA would be in financial trouble.  

My issue with fixing the MTA budget is that they keep trying to raise revenue to pay for these benefits, instead of cutting the benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Bloomberg should be asking the question.  While the TWA workers are paid well, their other benefits are extravagant.  They get a very generous pension, full healthcare, free transit, and I am sure there are a bunch of other benefits that I am not even aware of.  If these were brought in line with private sector jobs, I wonder if the MTA would be in financial trouble.  </p>
<p>My issue with fixing the MTA budget is that they keep trying to raise revenue to pay for these benefits, instead of cutting the benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: Benjamin Kabak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Benjamin Kabak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hate to defend Bloomberg here because I think the two of you are 100 percent right. However, to expect him to reform transportation in the three months since Election Day 2009 is a bit demanding.

Still, he&#039;s not going to deliver on those promises. I feel pretty comfortable saying that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hate to defend Bloomberg here because I think the two of you are 100 percent right. However, to expect him to reform transportation in the three months since Election Day 2009 is a bit demanding.</p>
<p>Still, he&#8217;s not going to deliver on those promises. I feel pretty comfortable saying that.</p>
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		<title>By: David Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember the &#039;free crosstown buses&#039; Bloomberg promised in his misleading advertisement for the mayoral election</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember the &#8216;free crosstown buses&#8217; Bloomberg promised in his misleading advertisement for the mayoral election</p>
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